Lost in Space..

[dermotdjt]

Or perhaps Bristol:p

I'm trying to track some distant family members back beyond the 1901 England Census but just cannot pin them down. Anyone care to assist;D

1901 England Census Bedminster St John, Bristol, 8 Quantock Road

Sarah Locke Widow 48 (b. abt 1853) Bristol
Florence Locke Dau 26 (b. abt 1874) Cardiff
Frederick Locke Son 30 (b. abt 1871) Bristol

There are also details of Frederick's wife, Edith, and 2 children but they are not the issue.

I cannot trace Sarah, Florence and Frederick back through the 1891, 1881 and 1871 censuses.

The marriage record from Frederick and Edith (Q4 1896 Bedminster 5c 1263) show Frederick name as Frederick Alexander. There is a birth record for Frederick Alexander in 1867, Bristol and in the 1871 census there is a 3 year old Fredk Locke but the parents are Henry and Annie. Furthermore I have baptism records (1 Mar 1876 Cardiff I think) for a Frederick Alexander and a Florence Mary Locke, children of Henry (deceased) and Mary Locke.

Are these all one and the same people. How has Mary become Sarah. Where are they in the 1881 and 1891 census?

Any help welcomed.

Thanks

Dermot

[PeteW1959]

There is a Sarah Locke aged 36, visitor, single born St. Pauls Bristol in Toxteth in 1891 http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?h...c=&pid=4000082

[PeteW1959]

Do you have Frederick and Edith's marriage certificate? That should show Frederick's father, who hopefully is Sarah's husband and alive in 1891 to help with the search.

[merleyone]

The marriage record in qtr 4, 1896, Bedminster, appears to be for a Frederick Alexander Locke and an Ellen Sophia Wilkins. Is this correct?

merleyone

[Darksecretz]

I can't see anything either.. sorry it does seem odd though that they can't be found, you can kind of expect it in one census, but not 3!..

[Elaine]

It's a bit of a puzzler

[Elaine]

Do you think they may have married here

England, Bristol Parish Registers, 1538-1900

Name: Ellen Mary Locke
Event: Christening
Event Date: 21 Sep 1898
Event Place: Bedminster, St Michael and All Angels, Somersetshire, England
Father: Frederick Alexander Locke
Mother: Edith Rose Locke

Name: Elsie Florence Emily Locke
Event: Christening
Event Date: 21 Sep 1898
Event Place: Bedminster, St Michael and All Angels, Somersetshire, England
Father: Frederick Alexander Locke
Mother: Edith Rose Locke

[bcbrit]

There is a death for a Henry Lock,age 34 years, Dec Q 1874 Cardiff 11A - 174

bcbrit

[Lindsay]

Do you have Sarah Lock's death? That could confirm she was married to Henry, and might possibly show if her full name was Mary Sarah (or Sarah Mary).

Having said that, I have a lady who changed her name between censuses, and that turned out to be because she'd married biganously and was clearly terrified of being found.

[col48]

Baptism Register for St John the Baptist, Cardiff (original image viewed on FMP)
March 1st 1876, both are children of Henry and Annie Locke. Henry is described as Engineer (deceased). The address is given as 1 Letty St but the 'y' could be suspect. Baptised by the Curate, J K Law.
Frederick Alexander Locke (born 3 June 1867)
Florence Mary Locke (born 10 August 1874)

[col48]

Births (from FreeBMD) - confirming above info
Ellen Mary Locke, Bedminster District 5c 656 1898 Q3
Elsie Florence E Locke, Bedminster District 5c 674 1897 Q1

Marriage (from FreeBMD) - Bedminster 5c 1263 1896 Q4
Frederick Alexander Locke to Edith Rose Isaac
There are two others on the same page...
William David Stone and Ellen Sophia Wilkins who can be found (as William David Stone and Ellen S Stone) at 15 Churchill Rd Bristol on the 1901 Census

[col48]

Marriage (from FreeBMD) - Bristol District 6a 185 1866 Q3
Henry Locke
Sarah Jones
also on the same page Charles E Sutcliffe and Eliza M A Rogers who I can't find in 1871 so this may be irrelevant

[col48]

The 1871 Census entry referred to in the OP
2531/124/20 8 Lower Bedford Place, parish of St James, Bristol
includes what might be three households (3 'heads') or three families in one household (the address is given only once). Everyone except the second person was b Bristol

Henry Locke Snr, head, M, 53, Commercial Clerk (Brewery) [I think that's what it says]
Sarah ditto, wife, M, 63, b Blakeney Glos
Henrietta ditto, dau, Unmarried [not very clear], 33, unemployed
Sarah ditto, dau, ditto, 27, unemployed
Mary ditto, dau, ditto, 35, unemployed
Henry Locke Jnr, head, M, 31, Engineer (working)
Annie ditto, wife, M, 22
Frederick ditto, son, 3
Arthur ditto, son, 1
William ditto, son, 2
John B May, head, M, 53, Brewers Traveller
Anne ditto, wife, M, 50

The third family is presumably genealogically irrelevant.

I think it plausible that this shows Henry+Annie+Frederick of my post #10.

[col48]

The senior family are at 8 something Bush Lane, castle ward, Bristol in 1861 (1715/42/22).
Henry aged 43, Master Engineer
Sarah aged 57, born Ayr Glos [that's clearly what it says!!]
Henrietta 24
Henry, 22, engineer
Sarah, 18
together with
Mary Inman, stepdaughter, 28, shopwoman, born Ayr Glos [again!!]

All bar the first two are unmarried.

[col48]

I think you need certificates to show whether the Bristol families are really yours but it's a shame there is the 1881-91 gap, and, as for Florence, maybe this is she:

Marriage 1902 Q1 Bristol District 6a 177
William Dawson
Florence Mary Locke
(the other two people on the page are definitely married to each other in 1911)

But if so, I can't find William and Florence in the 1911 census

[Darksecretz]

I take it you are using something other than Ancestry Col?

[the only reason I ask id that if you use Ancestry then it is quite difficult to search using the piece/folio when you use the 'new search']

I wonder if the family went abroad?

[Darksecretz]

oooh there is Henry LOCASSI b. bristol in WALES in 1891 though it says he is single

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-g&gsfn=hen**&gsln=loc**&msbdy=1818&msbpn__ftp=Bristol%2c+Gloucestershire%2c+England&msbpn=202043&msbpn_PInfo=8-%7c0%7c0%7c3257%7c3251%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c5265%7c202043%7c0%7c&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=lg3&msbdp=2&cp=11&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=1540218&db=uki1891wales&indiv=1

[col48]

Julie
I use findmypast. There is a census reference search facility. You can also use FreeCEN, but they don't have 1901 or 1911 or most of 1881 and the coverage is not yet 100%.

[Elaine]

I came up with much the same and certainly the Florence/Dawson marriage. This might be a good place to have a search

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1718965

found the 2 baptisms there

[Darksecretz]

Julie
I use findmypast. There is a census reference search facility. You can also use FreeCEN, but they don't have 1901 or 1911 or most of 1881 and the coverage is not yet 100%.

ahh thought so, :smilee: I use ancestry but using the info you found I was able to find the family in the census.

I'll put the findings on here so that if Dermot comes back then he can see if he uses ancestry what you have found.

1881: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...ki1881&indiv=1
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2487; Folio: 65; Page: 20; GSU roll: 1341599.

1871:http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...ki1871&indiv=1
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2531; Folio: 124; Page: 20; GSU roll: 835256.

1861:http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...ki1861&indiv=1
Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 1715; Folio: 42; Page: 22; GSU roll: 542855.

^^^^the address to me looks like No6 Starry Bush Lane... [I guess that's not right then!!...lol]
EDIT TO SAY: it is MARY BUSH LANE... [I looked at the previous page!]



1851:http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...ki1851&indiv=1
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1954; Folio: 381; Page: 32; GSU roll: 87354.

1841: not found them yet!