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lennon2011
11-04-13, 21:05
Thanks to Angelina I have just found out that one of my ancestors Hugh Lennon's WW1 record with a whopping 27 images, I've got to the second so far and I was wondering if someone could figure out this writing please? Knowing me we may have more yet so please beware!!

16770

Stella
11-04-13, 21:17
Can't read the first 3 words but the rest seems to be:- right side of neck, large one on right elbow, ?nice one right wrist. Oh the first word may be scar.

Elaine ..Spain
11-04-13, 21:19
I think it is:
Scar lower part right side of neck, large one on right elbow, one on right wrist.

Stella
11-04-13, 21:21
Well done Elaine - you got it!

lennon2011
11-04-13, 21:22
So that's scars, brown hair & grey eyes as his distinguishing features.

Janet in Yorkshire
11-04-13, 21:23
Elaine beat me to it! I agree with her interpretation.

lennon2011
11-04-13, 21:26
Brilliant. cheers. it's an extremely difficult thing to look at. I can't make the majority of it out, National Archives only has 2 images on that one where has this is at least 27. Surely there's a way to just save the full record to the computer?

Elaine ..Spain
11-04-13, 21:28
You need to scroll through the images one at a time and save each one to your computer. There is no way to download all 27 pages in one go.
The record on the National Archives will be different - it is probably the medal card which you should be able to find on Ancestry, so don't go paying £3 (or whatever it is now) to download it from TNA!

Elaine ..Spain
11-04-13, 21:30
This is probably the record you have found on the National Archives
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=MedalRolls%2c&rank=0&gsfn=hugh&gsln=lennon&sx=&gs1co=1%2cAll+Countries&gs1pl=1%2c+&year=&yearend=&sbo=1&sbor=&ufr=0&wp=4%3b_80000002%3b_80000003&srchb=r&prox=1&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&o_iid=21417&o_lid=21417&o_sch=Web+Property&offerid=0%3a21318%3a0&pcat=39&fh=1&h=346034&recoff=9+10

lennon2011
11-04-13, 21:33
Ahh well I'll do most of them now and the others tomorrow..

lennon2011
11-04-13, 21:45
I'm not so sure that all 27 images are for Hugh. Then again I've never really seen a war record this big before so I can't be to sure and I've only got 7 images saved so far.

SueNSW
12-04-13, 08:29
From a quick run through I can't see any reason to suggest that images from 1527 (1 back from where Ancestry starts) to 1554 inclusive are not all his - though there do appear to be a few duplicate pages

He had a long and well travelled career in the army - they are an interesting set of records that give a lot of information. You are very lucky to be able to find such a great source

Elaine ..Spain
12-04-13, 08:43
Just had a look at the record on Ancestry, Lennon, and I think all 27 images are for the same man. That number of pages is not unusual with the Army Service/Pension records, although occasionally you will find that there are some blank pages amongst those, so you can skip through those!

I think I can see why you are doubting it, and that is because there is a change of regimental number as you scroll through the images. This often happened as and when men changed regiments, with new numbers being issued.
If you look at the medal card (see link in post #9), it appears that Hugh was in the Royal Garrison Artillery, Labour Corps and Royal Defence Corps, with regimental nos. 6135, 422529, 89370. As you go through the document you will see these numbers on some of the pages. As I was looking through I made a note that there was another number which was 26238, so not sure where that one fits in.

Transcribing them gets easier with practice! The same with any sort of transcribing, once you have done a couple of similar documents you get to know the words and phrases which are generally used, thus hopefully making it easier next time round!

Elaine ..Spain
12-04-13, 08:44
... and while I was looking and typing, Sue has had a look and agrees they appear to be for the same person! :D

SueNSW
12-04-13, 10:28
The 26238 no appears to be part of some sort of code used a couple of times on docs while he was in the RDC - his regimental number with them was still consistently shown as 89370

No worries Elaine - your reasoning for the possible confusion was very clear - and always good to have a second opinion

Elaine ..Spain
12-04-13, 10:46
The 26238 no appears to be part of some sort of code used a couple of times on docs while he was in the RDC - his regimental number with them was still consistently shown as 89370

Thanks Sue - I was just jotting numbers down as I was skipping through the pages!

lennon2011
12-04-13, 11:45
Aww cheers guys.. I'm soo chuffed that there's finally a Lennon in the war.. :D :D

lennon2011
12-04-13, 14:40
Well that's 19 images saved so far- the rest shall have to wait as I've used all of my credits on them.

Elaine ..Spain
12-04-13, 14:48
Lennon, not sure how much you have spent on credits - and not asking!

You would probably find it much cheaper buying yourself a copy of Family Tree Maker which comes with a full 6 month free subscription to Ancestry. You needn't use the program, just install it on your computer, register it with the same email address that you use for Ancestry and then activate your FREE subscription. You don't need the most up to date version, FTM 2100 or FTM 2011 would be fine - but you need the Platinum edition (usually comes in red box)

This would be fine and would give you 6 month access to full UK Ancestry without worrying about purchasing credits. It usually works out much cheaper!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Family-Tree-Maker-2011-Platinum/dp/B003S3RLLW/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1365774326&sr=8-7&keywords=family+tree+maker+2012

Elaine ..Spain
12-04-13, 14:51
- or even from EBay
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2011-FAMILY-TREE-MAKER-PLATINUM-EDITION-NEW-UK-VERSION-/310382662826?pt=UK_Computing_Software_Software_SR&hash=item48443f94aa

Just be careful if buying a second hand one that the subscription to Ancestry hasn't already been activated/used.

lennon2011
12-04-13, 14:51
I already had some credits on and so i used them and I've put some more on and I don't want to use them all in case I find something more important.

Janet in Yorkshire
12-04-13, 16:11
Lennon, The library edition of Ancestry (equivalent to Worldwide) is usually available at public libraries. You can take a memory stick and download whatever images you wish, at no charge. I only have Ancestry essentials, so use the library to look up anything I can't access. I either transcribe, or use a memory stick. As the nearest library is 10 miles away, I always have a little book handy in the study and scribble down a list of things to investigate when I'm next in town for the supermarket or other shopping.

lennon2011
12-04-13, 16:41
I shall do that indeed Janet, my library isn't that far either. I know we have one in Roseworth which is joined onto Hardwick but I don't think that they do the family history section- besides I think its closing down.

lennon2011
12-04-13, 17:00
Anyway looking at the images that I do have it looks as though he suffered from Malaria.

lennon2011
13-04-13, 13:26
Well I have all of the images so now I need to try and decipher them for future generations, oh and the older ones :P

lennon2011
13-04-13, 22:58
The first few pages are here :D :D

Hugh Lennon
2127
Service towards limited engagement reckons from 2nd October 1894
Joined at Keith Fort 5th October 1894
Attested as a gunner on 2nd October 1894
Transferred to 33rd Company on 19th December 1894
Transferred to 22nd Company 13th November 1895
Awarded 14 days imprisonment for refusing to obey order 3rd October 1897
Returned to duty 16th October 1897
Elects R.W. (?) of 31st March 1898 arts (articles?) for messing(?) allowance 25th June 1898
Granted good conduct pay 24th October 1900
Company was reorganised on 1st January 1902 and the 22nd Company became the 63rd Company of the Royal Garrison Artillery
On 31st July 1902 he was paid his War Gratuity (bonus)
On 30th September 1902 he was posted (transferred) to the 102nd Company
On 30th September 1902 he was posted (transferred) to the 66th
On 24th October 1902 he was granted good conduct pay at 2d (pre-decimalisation they used to be 240 pennies (d) to the £. Money amounts were referred to as pounds, shillings and pence or l.s.d. with decimalisation we replaced the l by £, d by p and dropped the shillings. When we started using decimal coins (introduced 15th February 1971) nearly all shops had signs showing the price in l.s.d. and the £.p. equivalents)
On 4th November 1902 he was transferred to “B” Division Army Reserve and got 7 days gratuity (pay)
On 24th December 1903 he rejoined the Army and was not owed any back pay
On 24th December 1903 he was posted to 24th Royal Garrison Artillery as a gunner
On 16th March 1904 he was re-engaged for the Royal Garrison Artillery at Tynemouth for such term as shall complete 21 years service
Pass – army shorthand
Posted class 2 service pay at 7d on 1st April 1904 (he got a pay increase)
On 13th May 1904 goes back to being a gunner
On 1st November 1907 back to being a class 2 but on pay of 5d
On 9th November 1907 he was granted his 3rd good conduct badge.

2128
Hugh served at home 2nd October 1894 to 12th November 1895
In Malta 13th November 1895 to 2nd October 1897
In Jamaica 3rd October 1897 to 19th December 1901
In South Africa 20th December 1901 to 2nd October 1902
At home 23rd October 1902 to 4th November 1902
At home 24th December 1903 to 4th January 1909
In India 5th January 1909 to 5th November 1916
At home 6th November 1916 to 11th October 1917
In France 12th October 1917 to 26th August 1918
At home 27th August 1918 to 20th February 1920
Hugh was awarded a 3rd Class certificate on 23rd March 1911
Hugh passed classes in field dressing and map, .... signalling
Hugh was involved in the 1901-1902 South Africa Campaign (Boer War)
Hugh was awarded the South African medal with 2 clasps
Hugh received long service and good conduct badges with pay bonus
Obviously Hugh applied for an army pension when he left the service and the Ministry of Pensions Award Office stamped his record on 29th July 1919

2129
Hugh aged 22 years signed up on 2nd October 1894 for 7 years service with the Army and 5 years with the Army Reserve at joined (started his service) at Keith Fort on 5th October 1894
Posted to 12th Company Royal Garrison Artillery on 1st August 1908
Posted to 77th Company Royal Garrison Artillery on 5th January 1909
Posted to 94th Company Royal Garrison Artillery on 26th January 1910
Granted service pay Class 1 at 7d per diem (day) on 23rd March 1911
On 1st January 1915 he was permitted to continue service passed his 31st birthday
Committed crime and tried by district court martial (company trial) on 5th April 1916 having been awaiting trial since 29th March (banged up). This was promulgated (made known/public) on 11th April and Hugh returned to duty on 12th April 1916.
On 10th July 1916 Hugh was posted to the Imperial Expeditionary Force “II” as a gunner
On 16th October 1916 Hugh was posted to the Siege Artillery
On 17th January 1917 Hugh was posted to Whitechurch (there is a Whitechurch in Dorset)
On 28th March 1918 he was attached to 37th Company for a fitter’s course.

2130
On 1st September 1917 he was posted to S.S.Lydd as a gunner (there is a Lydd in Kent)
On 12th September 1917 he was posted to 1 Siege Artillery Reserve Brigade as a gunner
On 11th October 1917 he was posted to the British Expeditionary Force as a gunner
On 21st October 1917 he was compulsorily transferred to the Labour Corps but on Royal Artillery rate of pay
On 27th August 1918 he was posted to the S.C.L.C. (labour company) as a private
On 16th October 1918 he was compulsorily and permanent transferred to the auxiliary Royal Defence Corp
On 17th October 1918 he was posted to the Reserves 300th Company
On 26th November 1918 he was transferred to the Reserves 201st Company
On 20th February 1919 he was discharged.

2131
Served with British Expeditionary Force from 11th October 1917 to 26th August 1918
Served at home from 27th August 1918.

2132
Hugh Lennon, service number 89370, private of the Royal Defence Corps was discharged on 20th February 1919.
Discharge was on termination of his second period of engagement having last enlisted on 2nd October 1894
Hugh suffered from the effects of malaria which were aggravated by ??? and was awarded a pension of 5/6 (5 shillings and 6 pence = 28.5p) per week from 21st February 1919 with no bonus
His pay case was sent to Chelsea for consideration of Service Pension.

2133
Medical history – on 1st January 1916 Hugh was examined at the Military Hospital, Endell Street, War Office and declared himself to be born in Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, 45 years of age and an ironworker. He enlisted at Glasgow on 2nd October 1894
With no details recorded presume that he was passed fit
Hugh was discharged under KR392(XXI) i.e. on termination of his period of employment.

2134 and 2135
Between 27th December 1916 and 2nd January 1917 Hugh was at the Military Hospital, Endell Street suffering from detritus (wearing away or disintegration of tissue – he had a wound that was not healing)
Between 28th August 1918 and 1st October 1918 Hugh was at Queen Mary’s Military Hospital at Whalley, Lancashire suffering from trench fever. It was noted that Hugh began to be ill at irregular temperatures with a pain in his legs.

2136
Hugh’s service with the Labour Corp
Embarked on 17th July 1916 from Bombay on the “Itinda” and disembarked on 24th July 1916 at Bombay
On 25th July 1916 he was admitted to hospital (memo no. 6661) being on the sailing list having malaria (during the war when you were admitted to hospital you were given a number newpapers would then report on condition e.g. intensive care: numbers x,y,z...., no change: numbers a,b,c....., improving: numbers aa,bb,cc....., admitting visitors: numbers xx,yy,zz.... etc this allowed relatives and friends to know the condition of the patient whilst still protecting the patient and family as well as reducing the size of the newspaper article allowing more categories than would have been published if they used names)
On 4th August 1916 he was invalided to India and put on the sailing list to travel to Jansonah(?) from Basra on the “Varsova” (this ship was converted in April 1916 to a hospital ship having previously been a troopship and an overflow base hospital)

2137
Hugh Lennon a range taker re-engaged on 16th March 1904 having continuous and beyond 21 years on 1st January 1915 left the peace station and embarked Rawalpinde on 9th July 1916 disembarked Yemvardi (?) 12th July 1916. He had been vaccinated, date of inoculation being 3rd May 1915.

2138
Hugh Lennon aged 47 living at the Union Jack Club, Waterloo Road, London who first joined at Glasgow on 1st September 1891 (?) being A1 when he joined (excellent health) declared that he had served in India from the outbreak of the war in Mesopotamia for 2 months and in France for 11
months whilst serving with the Royal Garrison Artillery. He suffers from the effects of malaria and trench fever July 1916 and July 1918. Firstly due to climate and second due to exposure in the trenches. He had had stays in Egypt Runcorn Hospital and Fayle law (Flyde Poor Law?) Hospital, Lancashire. Before joining the army he had not suffered from malaria or trench fever and had never been admitted to hospital

2139
His last employer was Town Head, Iron Works, Glasgow in which he was employed as an iron worker which the army record as industrial group 25
On 17th January 1917 (?) he was medically examined and it was recorded that he was about 25% disabled due to complaint of tenderness over his spleen and tenderness and pain over the left costal margin (left ribs)

angelina
14-04-13, 12:00
Thats brilliant transcribing :good:

lennon2011
14-04-13, 12:01
Yup :D

The other half may be up later..