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  • William Thomas Clements - where are you in 1871, please?

    William Thomas Clements, b. 1857 in Brightside, Sheffield, Yorks. Know nothing of his parentage, except his mother's MN (if indeed, she and Mr Clements snr were married) appears to have been Smith (oh no!)

    I have him in 1861 living with his maternal grandparents in Greasley, Notts

    http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=NTTRG9_2431_24 34-0893&fn=William&ln=Clements&st=r&ssrc=pt_t54624536 _p13691405657_kpidz0q3d13691405657z0q26pgz0q3d3276 8z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&pid=22108573

    In December 1878 he marries Sarah Worrall (v.spellings available) in Kimberley, Notts, and in 1881 he and Sarah are living with her father, Samuel, in Greasley



    and I then have him in 1891, 1901 and 1911

    but I don't seem to be able to find him at all in 1871. In 1871 Sarah is in nearby Moor Green, so suspect that William is somewhere in the general area, but I just can't put my finger on him.

    Any super-sleuths help here, please?

    Thanks in anticipation.
    STG

    PS : There is a Clements in Greasley, but he was b.1848 and is from Birmingham, so must be a different fellow.
    Always looking for Goodwins in Berkshire.

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    Think this may be him with Sarah Smith.

    Same page is grandparents William and Eliza with grandson Benjamin.

    http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...5655480&recoff=

    Looks like Sarah married as a Clements

    Vera
    Last edited by vera2013; 04-04-13, 23:16.

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    • #3
      That's brilliant. Thanks v.much Vera.

      So, it would seem that William Thomas Clements' father was Joseph Thomas, and that he and Sarah Smith married in 1855 in Basford.

      Thanks again.
      STG
      Last edited by SmallTownGirl; 05-04-13, 11:48.
      Always looking for Goodwins in Berkshire.

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      • #4
        Hello STG

        That looks a good possibility for the marriage. I couldn't find that anywhere. So there should be a death record for Joseph Thomas somewhere.

        Vera

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        • #5
          On the 1861 census, where Sarah is living with her parents in Eastwood, she's listed as married, rather than widowed, and she re-marries Mr Dennis in 1865, so a death between 1861 and 1865 would seem to be the timeframe.

          I can't find a death for a Joseph T Clement or Clements, and there are umpteen possible Joseph Clement/Clements deaths to work through.

          This isn't going to be easy!

          STG
          Last edited by SmallTownGirl; 05-04-13, 12:52.
          Always looking for Goodwins in Berkshire.

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          • #6
            Yes I've just glanced and there are a fair few possibilities. With those earlier deaths of course no dob given so they could be anyone.
            The only way of confirming the possibilities as I am sure you know is to purchase the cert or certs of birth and marriage.

            Vera

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            • #7
              I think he might well have to remain a man of mystery

              STG
              Always looking for Goodwins in Berkshire.

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              • #8
                For now maybe STG but new records come on line all the time and there maybe some Parish ones available in the future which will confirm things for you.

                Vera

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                • #9
                  Details for the marriage

                  Sarah and Joseph married at St Mary, Eastwood 24 Dec 1855
                  Elaine

                  Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                  http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                  http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                  • #10
                    Thanks Elaine, someone else had found that for me. Really need to know the details though (Joseph's age, address, father's name etc). Will try to get someone to do a look up for me at Notts CRO or if needs must, I'll have to get myslf over there and find out for myself.
                    Always looking for Goodwins in Berkshire.

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                    • #11
                      Am dying to know the details after trying to find a death for Joseph;D
                      Elaine

                      Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                      http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                      http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                      • #12
                        Right. Am back from Nottinghamshire Records Office.

                        7 Dec 1878, marriage at Holy Trinity, Kimberley. William Clements, 21, batchelor, miner, son of Joseph Clements (dec'd), miner, married Sarah Warrel, 20, spinster, daughter of Samuel Warrel, Labourer. William and Sarah both made their mark.

                        24 Dec 1855, marriage at St Mary's, Eastwood. Joseph Thomas Clement, full age, batchelor, coal miner, resident in Eastwood, son of Thomas Clement, painter, married Sarah Smith, full age, spinster, resident in Eastwood, daughter of William Smith, frame work knitter. Joseph and Sarah signed their names.

                        Which doesn't exactly move me forward in a huge leap.

                        If Joseph was "full age", he must have been born before 1834, but that hasn't helped me find him in the 1841 and/or 1851 census records. Same goes for Thomas really. Assume he was born abt 1800?

                        In the 1861 census, William's mother, Sarah (nee Smith), is listed as "married", and she re-married in 1865, so presumably (assuming she was telling the truth), Joseph died between 1861-1865, but who knows? I still have no idea where he came from, or his father, the painter.

                        Can anyone help, PLEASE? Pretty please!

                        STG
                        Always looking for Goodwins in Berkshire.

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                        • #13
                          Hello STG. i have looked for 1841/1851/1861 Joseph T in Yorkshire and Nottinghamshire but no luck with a father Thomas a Painter. Searched also just using Clement/Clements.

                          The only thing I did find was a Role of Honour with a Thomas Clement period 1860-1864 but there are no further details or even area the death/injury occured. Can't find a likely Thomas Clement in 1841/1851/1861 either.



                          Vera

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                          • #14
                            Oh thanks Vera, I think I can feel another trip to the Notts Archive coming on.

                            There's apparently a death of a Joseph Clements in Basford Reg District in Q1 1865, which would chime with widow Sarah re-marrying in Q3 of the same year; and a death of a Thomas Clements in Basford in 1861, which would chime with the coal mine death list that you found.

                            But if they are in Basford Reg District, why can't we find 'em? Grrr!
                            Always looking for Goodwins in Berkshire.

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                            • #15
                              Must admit I was looking most of last night and drew a blank, do the marriage witnesses turn up anything?
                              Elaine

                              Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                              http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                              http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                              • #16
                                To my shame , Elaine, I forgot to note the witnesses. Think I'll have to go back to Notts Archive for another go.
                                Always looking for Goodwins in Berkshire.

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                                • #17
                                  Am gutted for you, not too well at the mo or I would more likely have nipped off for you
                                  Elaine

                                  Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                                  http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                                  http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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