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lennon2011
04-04-13, 12:19
I can confirm that Thomas Phillips was interred within the ā€˜A2ā€™ section of Durham Road Cemetery, grave number ā€˜15 Eā€™

I would be able to supply full details regarding this particular request (which will include a Certified Copy of the Burial Entry for all interred, together with maps and plans of the cemetery, and any other information that is available from our registers).


Finally! Could this be the ticket to finding out who John is?!

Will delete the image in 1 hour..

Elaine ..Spain
05-04-13, 07:32
Image removed because of copyright. Doesn't matter if image is on site for 5 mins or 5 hours - copyright still applies!

Something which might help in the future. If you could provide a link to the photo being hosted on an external site then that is acceptable, e.g. providing a link to the actual page on the War Graves website.
What you cannot do is copy the image and post it on here.

lennon2011
05-04-13, 09:21
Sorry Elaine I will remember next time, I've written it on the white board in front of me...

lennon2011
05-04-13, 12:15
Soo your never going to believe what I found at the Registry Office..

lennon2011
05-04-13, 20:26
Well it turns out that John was buried first in 1914 aged 11 and it was only when Thomas joined him in 1937 that a headstone was erected.

angelina
06-04-13, 09:58
If John was born in Stockton there are 2 possible births on free bmd
Phillips John Dec 1902 vol 10a p75 or
Phillips John Alexander March 1903 vol 10a p68:)

angelina
06-04-13, 10:03
John Alexander's parents were Stephen and Mary Ellen according to family search.

lennon2011
06-04-13, 12:26
Yeah the library have found 2 in 1903 as well which makes it more difficult. I'm just going to ask Stockton Roots if the parents are... hopefully we'll get somewhere there..

Taken from the Daily Gazette, found at Stockton Library..

17th August 1914,
PHILLIPS, John, On August 15th, John beloved son of Thomas & Elizabeth Hannah Phillips, cortege leaves 28 Major Street, Stockton for Durham Road Cemetery, please accept this.

27th March 1937,
PHILLIPS, Thomas, On March 24th, Thomas beloved wife of Elizabeth Hannah Phillips, cortege leaves 3 Croft Street, Stockton, Monday 2pm for interment, Durham Road Cemetery, please accept this.

angelina
06-04-13, 13:06
well done for finding those two newspaper articles. looks like Thomas and Elizabeth really loved John otherwise they wouldnt have bothered putting the details in the paper.

lennon2011
06-04-13, 13:15
well they didn't have any children biologically so he did fill an awfully big hole, I have found the grave myself and it truly needs a clean.

angelina
06-04-13, 14:04
I am sure Thomas and John would appreciate that. Is Thomas's wife in there too?

lennon2011
06-04-13, 14:18
Nup, I haven't found a death for her yet.

Christine in Herts
06-04-13, 16:50
well they didn't have any children biologically so he did fill an awfully big hole, I have found the grave myself and it truly needs a clean.

Worth checking on how best to clean a grave without causing damage to the surface of the stone.

Christine

lennon2011
06-04-13, 17:08
The only safe way is using plain unspoiled water & a cloth. I shall add the link for future references.. http://www.wikihow.com/Photograph-a-Tombstone

lennon2011
06-04-13, 17:09
It's on that page half way down.

Christine in Herts
06-04-13, 17:10
The only safe way is using plain unspoiled water & a cloth. I shall add the link for future references.. http://www.wikihow.com/Photograph-a-Tombstone

Helpful! I winced when I saw someone being a bit firm with a gravestone - but it wasn't in my country, and I was a guest, and the intention was to help me.

Christine

lennon2011
06-04-13, 17:25
I have a photo taken from the Photographic Resource team and you can clearly see the writing so I think that whoever took the photo cleaned the headstone itself because I finally found it this morning and it's extremely small and filthy. I have taken my own photo to show Mum where the exact location is (near the babies cemetery)

lennon2011
10-04-13, 11:47
Were slowly getting closer..


Thank you for your enquiry.
I have located the death record for John Phillips from 1914, I then compared this to the three birth records I have found in Stockton from 1902-1903. One of the records would match with the details that you have provided along with the details on the death record. The reference for this birth record is Book 181 Entry 336 Sub District N

Having this little information I can now try the library again :D :D :D

Stellanne
10-04-13, 14:36
well they didn't have any children biologically so he did fill an awfully big hole, I have found the grave myself and it truly needs a clean.

I find this to be one of the saddest things doing family history research, Finding graves which are so neglected. I could have wept when i discovered my Gr Grandads grave. x x x Stella x x

lennon2011
10-04-13, 14:43
There's an article in the Evening Gazette- link below where the friends had to buy the plot of the Council in order to erect a headstone as it was a paupers grave.

http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2013/04/10/redcar-lifeboat-heroine-margaret-emmans-honoured-at-last-84229-33148374/

lennon2011
11-04-13, 15:37
Well the library couldn't help me so I am going back to Stockton Registry Office to fill in a form for the certificate in a few days- unless my contact who is searching for the ancestry of all people born in Stockton can help me.

He's the one who gave me the baptism images of the 4 Phillips born in 1840-50 (Little Jonny's Grandfather & siblings) and has helped me with soo much more.

lennon2011
12-04-13, 13:41
Can I post John's birth cert on here?

Elaine ..Spain
12-04-13, 13:57
Can I post John's birth cert on here?

Yes you can.

.. and before any one queries that, we have relaxed our stance on this having considered the content of the following link
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documents/information-management/copying-bmd-certificates.pdf

- but to everyone, please remember NO LIVING PEOPLE - or else we will delete without hesitation! :D

lennon2011
12-04-13, 14:00
Brilliant..
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angelina
12-04-13, 14:37
hooray you were totally right :good:

lennon2011
12-04-13, 14:39
I know, I'm buzzing about it.. :D

kylejustin
13-04-13, 03:34
hate it when you order from local offices and you get a copy that is typed or in modern pen. if i wanted that i could order from the GRO!

lennon2011
13-04-13, 13:24
To be honest Kyle I don't care, I have proof and that's all that matters.

Christine in Herts
14-04-13, 16:52
hate it when you order from local offices and you get a copy that is typed or in modern pen. if i wanted that i could order from the GRO!

Not all the local offices have the equipment to create photo-copy certs without damaging the original registers. This is true of Sandwell (W Midlands), but they were very kind and helpful when I explained that I wanted to see the signatures on my grandparents' wedding register entry in order to compare my grandfather's signature at his marriage with an application in the USA for a social security number, 25 years later: they had been able to copy the part of the page which included the signatures, and attached a little rectangle of paper with just the signatures!

Christine