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FamilySearcher2702
20-03-13, 16:35
Good day,
I'm wondering if anyone has any information on Gebhard's descendants, as apparently he might be the progenitor of my surname. The very first one.

He was born 1040 in Germany and died 12 Nov 1110 in Germany.

thanks
:)

Karamazov
20-03-13, 16:43
No vow of chastity for him then???
theres this biographical info from the Catholic Encyclopaedia http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Catholic_Encyclopedia_(1913)/Gebhard_(III)_of_Constance
but no mention of any family ...

Olde Crone Holden
20-03-13, 22:28
It is usual to work backwards from yourself to make the connection, not forwards from a guess! I think you would need specialist knowledge to research pre-medieval German records.

OC

FamilySearcher2702
21-03-13, 07:12
thanks people

@olde Crone Holden: I work a bit differently. I have the date of the person in europe i want to work backwards with, and now i want to take the bishop's descendants and see where they lead, and eventually i will connect the two.

merleyone
21-03-13, 09:50
You state that Gebhard III 'might' have been the progenitor of your surname, 'the very first one', but whatever happened to Gebhard I and Gebhard II?

Despite OC's sound advice, you explain your method of working from both directions and assert that, 'I will connect the two'. Without any hard facts, such confidence is somewhat surprising and, whilst it is laudable to have an objective, it is prudent to ensure that is both realistic and achievable.
Whether investigating family history or a crime, a serious investigator has one objective only and that is to establish the facts. Facts established, and supported by hard evidence, will enable reasonable conclusions to be drawn but those conclusions may not coincide with any preconceived ideas about the outcome.

I know nothing of this obscure bishop who died 900 yrs ago but guess that there is no record of any descendants of his, or you would have discovered them.
In the absence of any such record, you may have little option other than to work backwards but if you do that and firmly establish the link you seek, you will have achieved much.

This may be a mission impossible, but best of luck.

merleyone

FamilySearcher2702
21-03-13, 11:28
thanks merleyone,
I will see what my search delivers. :)

Olde Crone Holden
21-03-13, 12:44
As you are 900 years away from this man and that is at a conservative estimate of 27 generations, you are going to have your work cut out. You will have to trace all 27 IN FULL because by your own admission, you do not know how you have descended from him. It is extremely unlikely that you will find the necessary proof because surnames were not adopted in Europe until about 1600 or so.

Save yourself a lot of time and work by working backwards from yourself. If you get stuck then that "proves" you cannot prove anything, because if the paperwork doesn't exist backwards then it doesn't exist coming forwards from him either.

OC

Uncle John
21-03-13, 19:16
How do we know that Gebhard was his birth name anyway? From the numerical suffixes it looks to me that he "took" a name, in the same fashion as Popes. I can't think of a more fruitless quest. It makes my (actual) extremely tenuous connection to Michael Faraday pale into insignificance.

Janet
22-03-13, 13:50
How do we know that Gebhard was his birth name anyway? From the numerical suffixes it looks to me that he "took" a name, in the same fashion as Popes. I can't think of a more fruitless quest. It makes my (actual) extremely tenuous connection to Michael Faraday pale into insignificance.

And my connection to the last Kings of Ireland of which I was constantly told we were connected! Trying to prove that link forward would be a complete waste of my time!! The relevant records just do not exist and the number of spellings of the name are just too numerous to list! After all just look what happened to the name Smith!!

You are in good hands as Saint Gebhard (949–995) was a bishop of Constance (http://www.familytreeforum.com/wiki/Bishopric_of_Constance) from 979 until 995. He founded the Benedictine (http://www.familytreeforum.com/wiki/Benedictine) abbey (http://www.familytreeforum.com/wiki/Abbey) of Petershausen (http://www.familytreeforum.com/wiki/Petershausen_Abbey) in 983.

Janet