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Val wish Id never started
08-03-13, 13:34
I am gob smacked have been researching my lot for a few years now and as I was so sure of some did not bother getting death certs, as I have a bit of spare money thought I'd tie up some loose ends so sent for some including one for my 3 X Great Grandfather and its the wrong one .
So for anybody else dont hesitate get the cert if you can.

Rainy
08-03-13, 13:45
Oh no :(
Hope it hasn't messed up your research too much.

kylejustin
08-03-13, 13:56
it's always worrying when people do that val. hope you get the right one!

Val wish Id never started
08-03-13, 14:06
I'm just going through his children now making sure they are right, trouble is he must have died before 1841 as his wife is a widow then, so its hard to know which one is right.:question:

kylejustin
08-03-13, 14:10
how do you miss that val?

Val wish Id never started
08-03-13, 14:22
The Death Cert I got was in the right area ,with the right name but he was only 40 mine would have been at least 53 and the occupation is wrong too.

Still on the bright side found a bigamy case for another one in my tree ,I had been looking for on FMP made very interesting reading ,as we were led to believe the second wife did not know he was married but seems she did as she lodged with the couple for 6 weeks before she ran off with him , tut tut tut.

kylejustin
08-03-13, 16:19
haha i love your lot val. very interesting.

Val wish Id never started
08-03-13, 16:28
you wanna swap families Kyle ?

Chrissie Smiff
08-03-13, 16:51
I we to expect a death hunt thread next then Val:D I shouldn't laugh, I can imagine how frustrating it must be. Let us know if you want any help.

Val wish Id never started
08-03-13, 16:59
you might be sorry Chrissie , but thanks for the offer, just checking his kids are his if you know what I mean.

Night Owl
08-03-13, 21:24
Still on the bright side found a bigamy case for another one in my tree ,I had been looking for on FMP made very interesting reading ,as we were led to believe the second wife did not know he was married but seems she did as she lodged with the couple for 6 weeks before she ran off with him , tut tut tut.

Now why doesn't that surprise me :rotfl::rotfl:

lennon2011
08-03-13, 21:40
Your bigamy story reminds me of my naughty one. Evan Thomas wasn't married to his "wife" Mary Chapman, she was his Servant. I thought that he himself was a bigamist but the other wife turned out to be his mother! It was his Dad I was looking at in the census, that's why I got so confused with the Thomas connection a while back.

Val wish Id never started
08-03-13, 22:12
what do you mean Jackie ??;)they do try and confuse us dont they Lennon ? I wonder how many other bigamists we have in our trees?

kylejustin
09-03-13, 01:26
quite likely a lot your unaware of val!

Val wish Id never started
09-03-13, 12:45
yes Kyle it seems to have been quite normal, I have quite a few and their excuses make me laugh.

lennon2011
09-03-13, 12:57
I hope your getting somewhere Val because I'm literally about to start hitting my head in frustration for the Phillips side.

Val wish Id never started
09-03-13, 13:01
Not really Lennon some of his children say he was a Cordwainer or Shoemaker , more or less the same thing ,and some say he was a Watchcase maker so wondering if I have all the right children now ?

lennon2011
09-03-13, 13:04
I had a Corwainer on one of mine and when I searched it was cobbler/shoemaker, his son was a bootmaker. Why couldn't they have bother just put the shoe making trade? So much easier.

The children- not everyone actually knew their father's trades. Unless he was both> Making money on the side etc?

Chrissie Smiff
09-03-13, 13:19
Sounds like we need a thread starting from what you definitely know doesn't it Val:)
p.s. I'm crossing my fingers tightly that he isn't a Smith :D
p.p.s. With daughters Ann and Mary and sons William and John:rotfl:

Val wish Id never started
09-03-13, 13:43
not as bad as Smith (so common) ;)its Keen and only one John :)thanks Chrissie I will sort out what I do and dont know .

I suppose when you think a watchcase would have been made out of leather too mmmmmm

Chrissie Smiff
09-03-13, 13:47
not as bad as Smith (so common) ;)

You do know do you that, after years of research, I discovered, with a lot of help that it should be Preston lol!! Chrissie Press doesn't have quite the same ring to it though does it :rotfl:

Val wish Id never started
09-03-13, 13:59
no I didn't know that ? how posh ;)

Chrissie Smiff
09-03-13, 16:11
Oh yes Val - very posh :rotfl: - here he is in 1871 as a 3 year old Henry Preston (He was the illigitimate child of Eunice Preston) -

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7619&iid=OXFRG10_1453_1455-0314&fn=Henry&ln=Preston&st=r&ssrc=pt_t31948455_p18152371532_kpidz0q3d1815237153 2z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&pid=14370924

Not so posh by 1881 though Val:rotfl: Here they all are in the workhouse and he is now being called Harry Smith -
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7572&iid=OXFRG11_1515_1520-0255&fn=Harry&ln=Smith&st=r&ssrc=pt_t31948455_p18152371532_kpidz0q3d1815237153 2z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&pid=17984391

By 1891 he has 'escaped' to Lancashire as Henry Smith a waiter in an Inn -
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7572&iid=OXFRG11_1515_1520-0255&fn=Harry&ln=Smith&st=r&ssrc=pt_t31948455_p18152371532_kpidz0q3d1815237153 2z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&pid=17984391

In 1901 he is Henry Smith - a barman in Blackpool Lancashire - (His future 'wife' is also there working in a hotel) - wish I could find a marriage lol:)
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7814&iid=LANRG13_3975_3976-0458&fn=Henry&ln=Smith&st=r&ssrc=pt_t31948455_p18152371532_kpidz0q3d1815237153 2z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&pid=25505140

By 1911 he is living with his 'wife' and family back in her home town as Harry Smith. He was Harry on EVERYTHING from then on until his death as Henry. The 11 years marriage is a lie to cover up the fact that 'son' John wasn't his (he was born out of wedlock). He is now in a different job but on the birth certs of the other two he was still a Barman. I have spoken to the daughter of a VERY old but living 'sister' of the 'wife' who confirms they arrived back home from Blackpool. -
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2352/RG14_20663_0191_03/5582771?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3d1911england%26h%3d5582771%26t i%3d5538%26indiv%3dtry%26gss%3dpt%26ssrc%3dpt_t319 48455_p18152371532_kpidz0q3d18152371532z0q26pgz0q3 d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&ssrc=pt_t31948455_p18152371532_kpidz0q3d1815237153 2z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&backlabel=ReturnRecord


So there you have the saga of the 6 year search for Henry/Harry Smith. I don't see how I can ever prove it, but there are so many facts that fit (and a cartload of certificates) and through following every other Harry/Henry Smith through the census who didn't fit, I am happy that's it him.

p.s. Well you did ask:rotfl:

lennon2011
09-03-13, 16:30
Well that's certainly a name change Chrissie. Feel free to check out the puzzler on the Eliz(s)abeth thread. Especially my second to last post :p

Val wish Id never started
09-03-13, 19:47
Sounds very complex Chrissie ,Prince Harry is really Henry isn't he ? Harry is short for Henry :confused:except they both have 5 letters .

Chrissie Smiff
09-03-13, 20:00
You don't know the half of it Val:) His 'wife' was also born under a different name to the one she always used in later life and unofficially adopted at 5 weeks and brought up as adopted daughter. I was told by the same relative about how it came about and that's quite interesting too. It made the Smith search even harder though because I was looking for a different 'wife' name in the census too. I was new to it in those days too and it's a wonder I didn't give up many times :rotfl:

lennon2011
09-03-13, 20:14
Funnily enough I have a funny story about the Harry thing. As you know My Granddad's Aunt Sarah married a Harry Reid and that's who Granddad is named after but there's a slight difference. Harold was in fact Henry and so Granddad got the wrong name. So the morale of the story is to always find out the name of the person that your naming a child after..

Val wish Id never started
09-03-13, 20:58
Since starting this I have been amazed at how many of my friends and neighbours aren't known by their real names?
our best friend who we have always known as Jack is really Trevor ? a neighbour who is known as Shirley is Pamela ,and my Grandmother who I always knew as Sadie turned out the be Susan, took me ages to find her records.
Could go on forever but wont.

lennon2011
09-03-13, 21:00
lol oh and a cousin should have one of those above names but goes by Lee instead. I think he had a legal name change as it's also not his surname by birth.

Val wish Id never started
09-03-13, 21:46
When I got married and the Vicar said to my Husband the bit Will you (his name) take this woman etc etc, a loud whisper went round the Church as nobody knew his first real name .

lennon2011
09-03-13, 21:49
lol. I'm sure I've read a few changed names. I know there's the John/Jack were I am..

Darksecretz
09-03-13, 21:49
I suppose when you think a watchcase would have been made out of leather too mmmmmm

mmm to me Val a 'watch case' would have been made out of metal: ie: the casing containing the movement. [sorry]

Val wish Id never started
09-03-13, 22:26
I was wishful thinking Julie , I have seen little travelling clocks in leather cases?