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Happy
22-01-13, 20:12
Hi All

Can anyone decipher the place name ticked in the were born column taken from the 1891 census. The first word is Ireland, but what is the other one.

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Elaine ..Spain
22-01-13, 20:48
It looks like Goulston but I can't find a place in Ireland to match that spelling.

Darksecretz
22-01-13, 21:21
Hi All

Can anyone decipher the place name ticked in the were born column taken from the 1891 census. The first word is Ireland, but what is the other one.

16635

can you give us more details at all? a name, or the link to this census page for 1891 please.

Happy
22-01-13, 22:08
Its the 1891 census for Henry Clark b 1817 in Ely, Cambridgeshire, his wife Catherine b1835 in the place that i can`t decipher in Ireland and son John b1871 in Quebec, Canada

Darksecretz
22-01-13, 23:04
Its the 1891 census for Henry Clark b 1817 in Ely, Cambridgeshire, his wife Catherine b1835 in the place that i can`t decipher in Ireland and son John b1871 in Quebec, Canada

mmm I see what you mean.. and I take it that they don't mention where in Ireland on any other census? do you have a marriage cert for Henry/Catherine? or perhaps a birth cert for one of the children which would give you Catherine's maiden name.

vera2013
22-01-13, 23:30
Possibly Goatstown, Dublin.

Darksecretz
22-01-13, 23:47
I see from the 1861 Canadian census Henry is stated as being a Soldier, and Catherine and John are there too.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=View&r=5538&dbid=1570&iid=4108536_00574&fn=Henry&ln=Clarke&st=r&ssrc=&pid=793257078

Henry is stated to be 41 yrs of age [and is an Episcopalian]
Catherine is stated to be 27 yrs of age [and is a Roman Catholic]
John is 2yrs [Episcopalian]

clematised
23-01-13, 00:13
Possibly Goatstown, Dublin.


Well done Vera2013 and well spotted, wecome to the Forum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goatstown

Edna

vera2013
23-01-13, 00:40
Thank you Edna for your greeting.

I have a possible baptism of John at the Anglican Garrison. In the Quebec Drouin collection. Will try to cut and paste but not used to the site yet.

It reads

John son of Henry Clark Private in the ?? Rifles and Catherine his wife by her maiden name ?Lally or maybe Lalby.

Born 23 June 1859. Baptised 31 July. Sponsors Henry Clark ?? Rifles, Thomas Dickson ?? Rifles and Ann Dickson

Darksecretz
23-01-13, 00:54
Well done vera :)

vera2013
23-01-13, 01:03
Thanks Julie.

Darksecretz
23-01-13, 09:31
Thank you Edna for your greeting.

I have a possible baptism of John at the Anglican Garrison. In the Quebec Drouin collection. Will try to cut and paste but not used to the site yet.

It reads

John son of Henry Clark Private in the ?? Rifles and Catherine his wife by her maiden name ?Lally or maybe Lalby.

Born 23 June 1859. Baptised 31 July. Sponsors Henry Clark ?? Rifles, Thomas Dickson ?? Rifles and Ann Dickson

do you have a link for this Vera? I can't spot it in the indexes

Darksecretz
23-01-13, 09:51
after a bit of fiddling I have found it, but the writing isn't very clear...

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=1091&path=Q.Qu%C3%A9bec.Anglican+Garnison.1859.13&sid=&gskw=

if anyone else that has a WW sub can have a look it would be great! [page two at the top!]

Happy
23-01-13, 10:29
Sorry i have`nt any certs but i do have Catherine maiden name as Lally/Lalley it was on my grandfathers death cert. She was my great-grandmother. I also have a copy of the 1861 Canadian Census and a copy of Johns baptism. Yes he was a lot older her.
What is causing me great frustration is not being able to find out where she came from in Ireland. The 1891 Census is the only one that gives a reference to where she came from other than just Ireland.

Darksecretz
23-01-13, 10:38
ahh I see, did you know there is a tree on Ancestry with him?

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/16591921/person/538868153

Vera said it could be Goatstown, Dublin, might be worthwhile checking that out..

Darksecretz
23-01-13, 10:39
do you have baptisms for the other children born in Canada at all?

Happy
23-01-13, 10:47
I`m not sure how to use the link you gave me. It could possibly be mine tree

Happy
23-01-13, 10:55
Henry`s son Henry Joseph was born 1863 New London, Canada.
Daughter Catherine b1868 Kingston, Ontario, Canada. and James b1870 Cambridgeshire, UK

Loopy Linda in La La Land
23-01-13, 11:00
Does this help

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=1091&iid=d13p_1626B0574&fn=John&ln=Clark&st=r&ssrc=&pid=9511492

Linda

Happy
23-01-13, 11:05
Tried that Linda, Came up as an error

Darksecretz
23-01-13, 11:06
I`m not sure how to use the link you gave me. It could possibly be mine tree

the link I gave was to the Ancestry Tree, the 'username' of the person that has it is 'Lambielittle' is this you?

Darksecretz
23-01-13, 11:06
Tried that Linda, Came up as an error

do you have an Ancestry sub at all?

Happy
23-01-13, 11:08
No, sorry Julie thats not me

Darksecretz
23-01-13, 11:11
No, sorry Julie thats not me

ahh they don't appear to have much in the way of information, but, it might be an idea to connect with them?

if you have not got an ancestry sub, you can register with www.mundia.com [this is ancestry's sister site] and you can search ALL of their public trees and initiate contact with the tree owner without paying..

kylejustin
23-01-13, 11:15
do you the marriage to catherine? that should have a father's name, and then you can see if any catherine's in goatstown fit?

Happy
23-01-13, 11:21
All i have of the marriage is this copy of a document.
16636 this copy

Darksecretz
23-01-13, 11:23
All i have of the marriage is this copy of a document.
16636 this copy

can you upload this via Photobucket Happy? the image is pretty small and is difficult to read..

Happy
23-01-13, 12:42
Is this what you need Julie http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a557/Happyfeet681/HenryampCatherineMarriage_zpsab6d469c.jpg

Anne in Carlisle
23-01-13, 12:55
I have to say Catherine's maiden name look more like JOLLY or TOLLY on that marriage document.

Anne

Happy
23-01-13, 13:00
On my grandfather`s death cert it was down as Lalley

Darksecretz
23-01-13, 13:04
Is this what you need Julie http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a557/Happyfeet681/HenryampCatherineMarriage_zpsab6d469c.jpg

yep! thanks :)

Anne in Carlisle
23-01-13, 13:06
On my grandfather`s death cert it was down as Lalley

I'm not saying the marriage one is the correct one but presumably only one of them can be correct and it might widen the search.

Anne

Darksecretz
23-01-13, 13:08
do you know if they married in Quebec at all? it looks like that is what it says..

Darksecretz
23-01-13, 13:25
ok I have found that marriage it is transcribed as Catherine JOLLY, but the way that it is written it could be a 'fancy' L with a flourish on the bottom. BUT it might also be that her surname was wrote as LOLLEY

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=1091&iid=d13p_1623b0508&fn=Henry&ln=Clark&st=r&ssrc=pt_t51124177_p13174697516&pid=8893799

Happy
23-01-13, 13:29
As far as i know it was in the Wesleyn Methodist Church Quebec City

Darksecretz
23-01-13, 13:32
As far as i know it was in the Wesleyn Methodist Church Quebec City

yep I have found that now... do you know if Catherine had any siblings at all?

sometimes the Irish followed a naming pattern when they had children, do you know if Henry had any siblings called John or James? [this might help eliminate them if they are known names in his family]

Janet in Yorkshire
23-01-13, 14:06
If Catherine predeceased Henry, perhaps the marriage record was shown as a source of her maiden name??? In that case, the name given would have depended on the interpretation of those concerned.

Jay

Happy
23-01-13, 14:30
I have`nt any information on Catherine`s blood relation

Darksecretz
23-01-13, 17:31
ok, so we presume that Catherine was already in Canada.. maybe we can try and see if we can find her in the 1851 census? or check the passenger lists..

Darksecretz
23-01-13, 18:29
ok, so we presume that Catherine was already in Canada.. maybe we can try and see if we can find her in the 1851 census? or check the passenger lists..

I can't spot anything likely for her in Canada.. not sure what to suggest now, not unless you can find a baptism in Goatstown for her.

vera2013
23-01-13, 20:36
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-g&gsfn=catherine&gsln=lall*y&msbdy=1835&msbpn__ftp=Goatstown%2c+Kildare%2c+Ireland&msbpn=846771&msbpn_PInfo=8-%7c0%7c1652381%7c0%7c3250%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c5306%7c846 771%7c0%7c&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=326&_83004003-n_xcl=m&cp=3&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=410626&recoff=9+10&db=drouinacadia&indiv=1

I hope that works. Looks a bit long winded.

It reads following a previous record: I also on the same day (19 July 1835) baptized Catherine aged 4 days. Daughter of Thos Lally and Catherine ?Mctominy

vera2013
23-01-13, 20:41
not sure how to edit above

also: sponsors Daniel and May McD?

vera2013
23-01-13, 21:02
Forgetting she was born in Ireland. Ignore above postings.

Darksecretz
23-01-13, 21:48
not sure how to edit above

also: sponsors Daniel and May McD?

you should see a pencil to the bottom right of your 'post'


http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p117/Darksecretz_2006/vera_zps667fbc9a.jpg

Happy
24-01-13, 14:24
Whats that all about

Darksecretz
24-01-13, 17:34
Whats that all about

Vera is new to the forum Happy, and she is having a few problems editing her posts..

:smilee:

re Catherine, I think that the best course of action would be to look in Goatstown parish records and see if a Catherine Lalley/Lally was bapt there around 1835.

or, if you haven't got an Ancestry sub then register with www.mundia.com and search the trees there for Henry/Catherine and see if anyone else has any more info.. [got to be worth a shot??]

vera2013
24-01-13, 17:34
Just me getting in a muddle Happy and needing a bit of advice on editing.

Also the record I posted could not be your Catherine Lally as it was of a child born in Canada

Vera

Happy
24-01-13, 23:23
Just had to say thanks to you all for helping me research my great grandmother. Although we did`nt find where she was born, it has helped.
And i must say the image on your profile Darksecretz is really mysterious looking.

Thanks again

Darksecretz
26-01-13, 00:11
Just had to say thanks to you all for helping me research my great grandmother. Although we did`nt find where she was born, it has helped.
And i must say the image on your profile Darksecretz is really mysterious looking.

Thanks again

mmmm maybe it's better though now... :p :smilee:

something WILL come to light about Catherine I am sure.. there HAS to be someone out there that is looking for her and her husband that knows where she was born etc...