salkell/selkeld help please

[kylejustin]

i'm having difficulties with the family called salkell after 1861.

i believe the parents are john salkell/selkeld who married margaret clementson. i have no marriage, just the evidence that margaret clementson was b.1829 neasham, durham, and john's wife fits that info. and john and margaret's eldest daughter was born in hornby, yorks which is where margaret clementson's mother was born.

1861: old acres (farm), butterwick, stockton district of durham.

john selkell- 42, b.1819 sneaton yorks, ag lab.
margaret - 32, b.1829, neasham, durham.
jane- 12, b.1849, hornby yorks.
frances- 10, b.1851, old acres (as is all the other kids)
john -8, b.1853
thomas -5, b.1856
james -2, b.1859
margaret a.- 5mths, b.1860.

i can't find the family in 1851. the closest for jane is jane salkeld b.1848 manfield yorks, staying with grandparents thomas b.1801 manfield and anne b.1787 eaglecliffe durham.

margaret is down as margaret clemitson b.1832 neasham, a servant in a school in durham.

so maybe jane is illegitimate? and the parents never married? or margaret isn't a clementson?
help please!

[Janet in Yorkshire]

i'm having difficulties with the family called salkell after 1861.

so maybe jane is illegitimate? and the parents never married? or margaret isn't a clementson?
help please!

Another possible scenario is that Jane belonged to a former wife who died??
Can't get a definite lead on the family before your 1861 census ref though - sorry.

Jay

[Frazzled]

In 1851 the family is transcribed as SOAKELL, Old Acres Farm Butterwick

[merleyone]

The family are at Butterwick in 1851, as SOAKELL, HO7, piece 2384, folio 607, page 3 and in 1871, still shown as SOAKELL, they are at Haverton Hill, North Street, Bellingham, RG10, piece 4899, folio 0, page 33. In 1881, as SAWKILL, they are at 16 North Street, Billingham, RG11, piece 4894, folio 8, page 9. John seems to have left the land and was then a 'Labourer in I Works'.

merleyone

[Janet in Yorkshire]

Well done, Frazzled

Jay

[Janet in Yorkshire]

Following on from Frazzled & merleyone, what about this marriage?
John Soakell &(1 of the 2 possible partners) Margaret Johnson Northallerton reg Dist Jun qtr 1848

Jay

[kylejustin]

thank you everyone for the help. i would never have thought of those names to search under. i was at first weary of the 1851, as margaret said manfield for birthplace. but the others she all said neasham.

of course i then have to wonder, is she margaret clementson? if so, who is the one i have in 1851? she named a daughter frances, of which she has a sister and a great aunt, so i think that is good.

janet, i could not find a birth for a margaret johnson after 1813 at hurworth in freereg. that doesn't mean they have it anyway though. i may have to go on familysearch and look through the register.

looks like i will have to find a child's birth cert, and order one.

[garstonite]

For the record - Salkeld here in Garston and he tells me his Salkeld ancestors came from Hungary ..
allan

[Frazzled]

All the children seem to be registered at birth with the surname SALKELD, as you say think the only option is to send for one of the certs to get the mother's surname. Cannot find a marriage for a John Salkeld with a wife Margaret.

;) to Jay

[kylejustin]

thankyou for that frazzled. i tried to accomodate all the different spellings with a search but timed out. now i know the spelling used, i can find a birth quickly.

alan, thanx for that. it is an interesting name.

[clematised]

http://www.one-name.org/profiles/salkeld.html One Name Study

Hi Allan, I went to school with Salkeld's in Kirkdale, Liverpool.

Edna

[garstonite]

http://www.one-name.org/profiles/salkeld.html One Name Study

Hi Allan, I went to school with Salkeld's in Kirkdale, Liverpool.

Edna

Hiya Edna ...first Salkeld record in Liverpool on Lan-opc is 1776...and the father was a Mariner ...so they have been here a long time ...family of them here in Garston
allan