who is he Hermann or Hofkke (hoffkey)

[Frazzled]

Maybe another son?

Franz Hermann Hoffke 1842 Q3 1 138 Marylebone

[tonyhermann]

thank you but still no Hoffke on 1851 census

Tony

[Night Owl]

I think this is the family on the 1851 transcribed by Ancestry as Hoffler

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?h...c=&pid=2265792

16 Eccleston Place, St Georges Hanover Square
Hermann 35 Professor of Music b Prussia
Louisa 38 Dress maker b France
Theodore 12 b Middlesex
Dorothea 4 b Middlesex
Hermann 5 months b Middlesex

HO107, piece 1477, folio 587, page 16

[Frazzled]

Just for interest and also to explain about my wafflings on name changing!

John Hermann's daughter Dorothea married William George a solicitors managing clerk, in 1869, she married as Anna Dorathea L Hermann.

William and Anna D L George are with John and Jessey Hermann in the 1871 census.

In 1891 William and Anna D L George are living at 2 Franklin Terrace, Potter-Newton, Yorkshire, living with them is John G Herman (transcribed as Hermason) Prof of Music.

I see that John changes to the surname Hermann from the 1861 census onwards, maybe it was simply to sound less German or perhaps they decided that Hermann was easier to pronounce? I noticed on familysearch that the name Hoffke/Hofke has an umlaut over the o so without the umlaut it would sound completely different if spoken in English. Rather than have to listen to their name pronounced incorrectly they decided on Hermann? All guesses of course.

[tonyhermann]

Night Owl your a Star !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just been to have a look thank you.
I can read that it's Hoffke and the same family, just wish I was 100% that its the now Hermann family I have information that it is but never 100%
I wish thay had thought some one would be looking for them some day, Theodore was bFrance 1838/9 puts him right age He wed a Adelaide Cataldi in 1858 I think I now need to find certificate

[tonyhermann]

thank for for the thoughts
I have the census for 1871 jessey was Johns son Theordore's Daughter I traced her back I think mybe the name change came after the bamkrupt
Thanks

[Olde Crone Holden]

Theodore marries as Hermann in 1858 - September, St Geo Hanover Square, 1a 410. That certificate will give you the name and occupation of his father, although I personally am sure it is the same family. It would be astonishing if it wasn't.

You may never know exactly why they dropped the Hoffke name but I would imagine it is a mixture of being "too foreign" and therefore too distinctive - something to do with the bankruptcy, as you say.

OC

[Christine in Herts]

We have friends in Germany who sometimes use both their names, and sometimes just the husband's. In their case, it must be at least partly because the husband's name is very common in the village, so the joining of his wife's surname helps to distinguish them.

Christine

[tonyhermann]

Thank you to all that have helpped
I have had some really good information and now will be sending for certificates to try and put things together

Tony Hermann was Hoffke

[tonyhermann]

Thanks for info I have just got certificate and you were right, thought I would let you know looking more and more like I started of as Hoffke


Thanks for your time and help

Tony Hermann/Hoffke