Can you read this

[PhotoFamily]

Did the parents return to CofE and re-baptize the child? Wanted to be able to prove his birth?

I've reviewed both the Holywell Independent Church baptism and the Bethnal Green Parish Church baptism.

In the latter, three boys of Hilkiah & Margaret were baptized at once. Sure seems like they wanted to put the boys on record? Anyone have ideas about it?
Thanks
sarah

[Christine in Herts]

It's not all that unusual to see several children of a family baptised at once - if you're lucky, the scribe will have included the DoBs to identify the different children. There have been various suggestions put forward as to why that might have happened, including:
[1] didn't remember whether the older children had been baptised or not, and wanted to make sure that they were.
[2] they hadn't going to bother, but the vicar went and herded them all up
[3] they wanted to be sure of support on the parish if they fell on hard times

Christine

[PhotoFamily]

Oh, sorry, you needed to read #20 as well, to get the full gist of the question:

RWY and several sibs are baptized at Holywell Independent church soon after their births. They are indexed on familysearch, from non-conformist records. With a name like Hilkiah, I have faith that these are the same children.

Then the 3 boys are baptized (again) together in 1813 at St Matthew, Bethnal Green.

So, #3 reason &/or desire to prove legitimacy if needed seem the likely reason?

BTW, if you google Hilkiah Samuel Young, you'll find a google book online with a letter from him on it. I think the parish priest went after him for things he had said, and he and two others wrote a letter of retraction. If I understood the gist of the letter. It was a bit convoluted to me.

He was an undertaker, per his own burial in 1840

[Christine in Herts]

They are indexed on familysearch, from non-conformist records.

In that case, I'd suspect that [3] applies. I'm not sure how much authority non-conformist records carried when you were looking for financial support from your parish, when you got into difficulties. It's hard to imagine now, with the Welfare State in place (while it still exists), but if you were out of work and had no independent source of income, then you got no money at all unless someone gave it to you out of the goodness of their hearts. Poor Relief was minimal, but it kept you from starving.

Christine

[PhotoFamily]

Ongoing saga:
Hilkiah left a will!
He names only two children and a granddaughter.
"... I give to my Son Robert Young Longman [Songman?], now residing at New York North America (Gold and Silver Refiner)..."
The will was written in 1837, probated 1840.

I can't find him in New York (definitively) in a census, nor can I find him immigrating.
Can anyone find him? And, of course, what I'm really interested in: his wife, Phebe Coverly Young, born 1801, London. She may not even have made it to the New World, and I don't know if they had children.


And yes, I found the apprenticeship record for Robert - but not a Freedom record.

Thanks.

[PhotoFamily]

omg - didn't look under the "Longman" name - he's there in Brooklyn.

Why would he change his surname????

[PhotoFamily]

Could someone check British Newspapers in the 1820-1827 time frame for Robert Young? I'm wondering if he had some trouble with the law.

They seem to have children born in England in the first part of the 1820s, but apparently a child was born in NY in 1827.

I also think they may have gone back to England to visit in the 1850s, but lied about their ages. It's very confusing!

[Christine in Herts]

Do you have any idea where in the country Robert Young would have been? There are enough "hits" to make it tricky to guess where to start searching.

Christine

[PhotoFamily]

He and his wife were from the London/Middlesex area, and came from dissenters. I haven't looked for the birth of their English-born children under the Longman name - I only know one or two: by the time I find them in the 1850 census, the eldest children have already left the home. They would have been born in the early 1820s.

I think I was unable to find Phebe 7 Robert in the 1860 census, and wondered if they were back in England for a period of time.

I haven't googled the names yet,either.

thanks
sarah

[Christine in Herts]

A number of the Times hits for YOUNG seemed to have a Scottish bias. I don't have time to hunt now, but may have a go later... when I'm not trying to guess where Errant Grandfather was hiding in the USA 1940 census (he's not at either of the addresses at which I thought I'd got him!).

Christine