The Winner of Who Do We Think You Are 3rd September is.............

[Barbara Dodds]

~~Lesley~~

well done, I hope you get a few brick walls knocked down

[~~Lesley~~]

Thank you Barbara

I hope someone has a JCB or two to knock down those walls

I'm hoping that someone will spot something that I've missed.

[Barbara Dodds]

*goes and gets sledgehammer as its a bit late at night fora JCB*

[borobabs]

Good luck Lesley go get some walls down dear ;;;

[~~Lesley~~]

My biggest brick wall which I haven't really looked at properly in a while is Mary Coleburn born in Liverpool about 1835.

The spelling of her name could easily vary ie Mary Coulburn, Mary Colborne etc which makes it more problematic.

She married in Wigan in May 1864 and she listed her parent as Mary Coleburn whose occupation was brickmaker. I presumed, perhaps wrongly that she may be illegitimate. She was 29 years of age at the time of her marriage to James Bratherton/Bretherton/Brotherton.

Witnesses at the marriage were John and Mary Hampston. I'm not sure who they are, they could be friends or related to her husband.

1841?
I'd really like to find her on the 1841 census to see if I can tie her in with her parent(s)

1851

In 1851, I think she could be 16 year old Mary Coulburn listed as a servant at Mill Lane, Hindley, Lancashire, Englandwith the Isherwood family. No clue to her parents.

Class: HO107; Piece: 2200; Folio: 116; Page: 12; GSU roll: 87210.

1861?

I'm not sure where Mary is in 1861.

1871

In 1871, she is 36 and married to James Bratherton and living in Albert Street in Wigan.

Class: RG10; Piece: 3895; Folio: 18; Page: 30; GSU roll: 842041.

The interesting thing is who is lodging in the house next door in 1871:

Ann Coleburn (unmarried), a 22 year old tailoress from Liverpool with her 5 month? old daughter born in Wigan (ooh hadn't registered that she was born in Wigan before). I'm just wondering whether she may be related to Mary somehow.

1881

Again I can account for Mary Bratherton in 1881. She is living at 9 Warrington Road, Pemberton, Lancashire with her children as her husband had died.
Class: RG11; Piece: 3779; Folio: 27; Page: 1; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341904.

1891

In 1891 she is living at 74, Soho Street, Newtown, Wigan, Lancashire with some of her children.

Class: RG12; Piece: 3063; Folio 113; Page 12; GSU roll: 6098173.

1901?

I cannot find her on the 1901 census but she died in 1902 in the workhouse in Wigan.

As I said, I'd love to find her in 1841 or find a clue as to who her parents were or the connection with Ann Coleburn.

[~~Lesley~~]

There's also something else which keeps niggling at me,

There is a Mary Coleburn baptised about 1835 in Liverpool St Anthony's to John Coleman and Ann Bryan.

I keep coming back to what I think is John's (b. abt 1811 Ireland) 1841 census records in Woodstock Street Liverpool (John Coulbourn) where he is listed as a bricklayer and I keep thinking there may be a connection.

There is a 6 year old Mary Coulbourn living there at the time.

Class: HO107; Piece 564; Book: 12; Civil Parish: Liverpool; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 23; Folio: 14; Page: 21; Line: 16; GSU roll: 438716.

Also if you follow the family through the census records, if I've got the right John (which I may not have done) he seems to end up in Hindley with some of the other children.

[clematised]

Class: RG9; Piece: 2678; Folio: 7; Page: 8; GSU roll: 543011

This Mary Colborn is a servant with an Ann Foster Publican in Liverpool right age 1861 Census Parish of St Micheal,reg district St Thomas

Edna

[~~Lesley~~]

Thank you Edna, I had forgotten about her. I wasn't sure whether it is her or not as she seems to be living back in Liverpool. I suppose I need to identify if there is more than one Mary Coleburn of the same age from Liverpool (with various spellings) and track all of them,

[Darksecretz]

1841:

- Ancestry.co.uk

Class: HO107; Piece 564; Book: 12; Civil Parish: Liverpool; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 23; Folio: 14; Page: 21; Line: 16; GSU roll: 438716.

not exactly a best fit.. as mothers name is ANN but the father JOHN is a brickmaker..

[clematised]

I have been looking for the last couple of hours at the Hampson names of John and Mary and found several possibilities but I have just found a couple who have this name transcribed but someone has had a note made to say Thompson but on looking at the actual record in Wigan the couple are on the same page as other Hampsons/Thompsons (ink splodge) but also on the same page are Cowburns 1881 Class: RG11; Piece: 3772; Folio: 12; Page: 18; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341902. John and Ann Cowburn with children also other Cowburn with Hampson/Thompson.

Can someone take a look at it.

Edna