Thanks again Janet for your help. If anybody else feels lucky and wants to try and find my Lizzie Daniels or her family in the 1901 census for ireland I will be eternally grateful
Thanks again Janet for your help. If anybody else feels lucky and wants to try and find my Lizzie Daniels or her family in the 1901 census for ireland I will be eternally grateful
Why so serious???.........Lets put a smile on that face
The only one I can find in 1901 is aged 18 b Dublin, sorry.
Joy
rather than start a new thread i have continued with this thread as its the same connection. As i am struggling to trace my Elizabeth Daniel's and her family any further back and a trip to Dublin seems some way off, i was wondering whether to consider as the next route, using a researcher to see if they are able to make any inroads. So my next question is really based around whether people have used paid researchers and can any be recommend specifically for irish research etc. Or would i be better putting of this and waiting until i eventually make the trip to Dublin myself thanks.
Why so serious???.........Lets put a smile on that face
i hired a researcher to look in the national library in dublin at the parish registers for sixmilebridge in clare. he didn't find anything, which was puzzling, but then again, my irish were never easy. the library has a list i think of pros to use for research?
It depends whether you have identified that there is a record someone could look at. One of the biggest problems with Irish research is that there are few records and no matter who you are if they don't exist then nothing will be found.Originally Posted by Paulc
I don't know where you got to on this thread with your quest but it might be an idea first to set out the story so far again and let us see if we can help. Some more records have come online in the last 12 months so if you haven't checked those maybe that's the first port of call before spending out a lot of money on a researcher.
Margaret
Just gone back over your thread and see what you have for sure are the details from the marriage cert and a sighting in the 1911 for Dublin which gives her age and place of birth and that she is Church of Ireland.
In 1911 she is living at Woodfield Place in a house (private dwelling) with 2 other women Jane MacDonald and Kate Asplin all of whom have given themselves as separate 'head of household'.
So your start point is Lizzie Daniels born c1888 with a father's name of John who was deceased in 1909 - no occupation given.
Is that right or do you have anything else?
Margaret
Last edited by margaretmarch; 06-05-12 at 08:12.
On ancestry they have these 2 births which may be relevant
Elizabeth Daniels
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1887
Registration district: Dublin South
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 2
Page: 592
FHL Film Number: 101061
Elizabeth Daniels
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1887
Registration district: Dublin South
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 2
Page: 585
FHL Film Number: 101061
Margaret
On familysearch.org they have this birth
Elizabeth Daniel
registration district: Dublin North
registration quarter and year: Jul - Sep 1889
film number: 101062
volume number: 2
page number: 506
digital folder number: 4193976
image number: 00523
Which I presume is the certificate you have.
So if when you asked for the search of births you gave John as father and asked for a search that included 1887 then it looks as though the 1889 one is your person as she is the only one with father named John.
Personally I would get the other two certs to satisfy myself that what I had was correct.
The next thing then is to find a marriage for the parents and a death for John Daniels before 1909.
If the cert showing Lizzie born in the Workhouse is the right one you might try finding if there are any records kept of who was admitted when - but it could just be that the workhouse was the local hospitals as that is what most of them became. I am sure there is a forum for Dublin genealogy that you could ask for help from about this.
Margaret
What occupation is given for John on the birth certificate you have? Is the mother the informant and what address does she give?
Margaret
The only other suggestion I have is that you might like to try the fairly new Irish site which has been done in conjunction with findmypast but has a separate subscription. The bad news is that you will have to either buy credits or a subscription but the good news is that you can go so far into the system without paying anything and then make up your mind if the person that comes up is worth paying credits for. At this stage this may be an option to try first before going after expensive researcher which as has been already pointed out may produce nothing for you if the records are not there. Many Irish people did not register a birth, too far to walk to the nearest RO in inclement weather with a load of other children in tow but they were always baptised so looking for a baptism will possibly be more fruitful. The new site will be found at:
http://www.findmypast.ie/
Finding workhouse births in Ireland may be very difficult. I have had problems finding children in orphanages and have been given the run around on the Freedom of Information Acts from both Dublin and Cork for the years 1911 to 1920 and have now given up trying as I am getting nowhere.
Did you ever get the army details because that will be the best help? They should be on either FMP or Ancestry if they have survived.
Just keying in Daniels into the Irish site did not produce as many Daniels as Barnes so you may be lucky in the Family Search/Ancestry ones.
Ancestry has many many John E Barnes but the top
ones are as follows:
Edwin John Barnes b 1894 Peckham
John Edwin Barnes born Poplar died Gallipoli 25 April 1915
Edwin John William Barnes born Mie End died 8 September 1918 Flanders
If you do not have a sub for Ancestry then go to your nearest library and get one hour Ancestry for free.
Janet
Last edited by Janet; 06-05-12 at 12:11.
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