Wanna swap lookups ??

[Val wish Id never started]

hi and oh yes I have the certs I needed to confirm this lot .
Abraham Rose did marry Susan Joel in 1857 in a Church he then married her again in a Synagogue in 1860 under Abraham Isaac Guttentag and she was Esther Joel .
I have always thought Lydia Lazarus was Esther Susans unmarried Mother?
I have seen the Headstones of all three and confirmed its them by the Death Certs.
Esther's Death Cert says Susannah Rose ??? aged 72
Two of the Sons also married the same women twice in the same circumstances.
I think the reasons for the name change on 1901 was because Abraham had been tried and found guilty of fraud ?? so he was lying low .
I have never found Esther Susans Birth wish I could .
The whole family are a problem to research .
I did find out recently that one of the grandchildren had told a family member never to repeat the fact she had been Jewish , quite sad really.

[perth tiger]

lol val i didnt know jewish families did things like this back then.
so back to miriam and charles.
and im stuck with ideas.
have you got the workhouse records for miriam?
does her name show up in anything else at all?

perth

[Lyn A]

Val have you tried the Jewish board on Rootsweb. I am sure that they would be able to help you. sort this out.
british-jewry@rootsweb.com

[perth tiger]

the only thing i can come up with is a page of marriages in dec 1905 in mile end. all the women are called rachel leah, one has the surname gutentof. one of the men is called marks kisch. is there something jewish about the names or the significance of them all been together

[Val wish Id never started]

Martyn I think she only died in the workhouse dont think she was living there?
Suppose I could send for the records though??
I do have her on every census since she was born so know where she was.
Her husband so it says on her death cert was a Diver ??? was hoping to find out more about him but nothing on the overseas deaths as I thought he may have died diving ???
Thanks Lyn have tried them before for Susans info but nothing, maybe they might with this lot though .

[perth tiger]

well im off to bed now. i expect you to have solved this by the time i get up in 8 hours. by the way the first pack of after 8's was eaten with gusto

[Val wish Id never started]

was that before or after the Ready Brek ? lol see you later

[perth tiger]

how did you go with the marriages i sent you?
do you think someone would go do a lookup for you at the mile end records. i suppose they are kept at the lma or kew.
it might be worth asking on here or roots, you never know your look in a big city


perth

[Val wish Id never started]

oop sory Martyn meant to say no nothing to do with them I'm afraid but thanks

[perth tiger]

so what do you know about the son charles. have you got his death cert,marriage cert etc