UJ do you know there were no other children earlier than those you mentioned? Why do you think they married in 1905 if the first child wasn't born until 1909?
I wonder if Mary was born a Ridd* or maybe her birth name was Woodburn?
When do we get the 1911 census??!
UPDATE:
Is this a child of theirs too?
Births Jun 1908
Lishman Rowland Tynemouth 10b 264
Deaths Jun 1908
LISHMAN Rowland 0 Tynemouth 10b 129
Annoyingly, that chap I mentioned in post #2, Charles Henry Woodburn Riddell, doesn't seem to exist other than for that entry. Nothing on any census, no death, no other Ridd* or Woodburn entries in Wincanton District. Absolutely ziltch. :(
I thought if I could find him I could either eliminate his family, or discover he had a sister called Mary who was registered without the middle name.
You said Mary Woodburn Lishman died in 2004. Did she drop her middle name, or did she die out of England/Wales? I couldn't find her death.
Originally posted by Merry Monty MontgomeryView Post
UJ do you know there were no other children earlier than those you mentioned? Why do you think they married in 1905 if the first child wasn't born until 1909?
Taking other people's word for it. :(
I wonder if Mary was born a Ridd* or maybe her birth name was Woodburn?
Now there's a thought.
UPDATE:
Is this a child of theirs too?
Births Jun 1908
Lishman Rowland Tynemouth 10b 264
Deaths Jun 1908
LISHMAN Rowland 0 Tynemouth 10b 129
Now there's a(nother) thought. The first name is a strong indicator. I might splash out £7 on the birth certificate.
Originally posted by Merry Monty MontgomeryView Post
Annoyingly, that chap I mentioned in post #2, Charles Henry Woodburn Riddell, doesn't seem to exist other than for that entry. Nothing on any census, no death, no other Ridd* or Woodburn entries in Wincanton District. Absolutely ziltch. :(
I thought if I could find him I could either eliminate his family, or discover he had a sister called Mary who was registered without the middle name.
You said Mary Woodburn Lishman died in 2004. Did she drop her middle name, or did she die out of England/Wales? I couldn't find her death.
She lived for many years in South Africa and died there.
I've now looked through the FreeBMD births from 1900 to 1910 for any clues. Apart from the Rowland that Merry found, the other Tynemouth births that aren't already in my tree are John Edward (q1 1905) and William (q4 1906). They are of academic interest at this stage and I don't think the certs. would add anything to my search for Mary's origins.
So, apart from the Rowland birth cert., is there any further light to be shed on the mystery? Mary's death cert. is unlikely to contribute much.
Very well done and many thanks, Merry. I've invested another £6 in SP and downloaded the register entry. Unlike other Scottish marriages I've seen, the bride and groom's names are just signatures, which in Rowland's case was R. Lishman. So how SP managed to index it with his full name I don't know. I now have her age and her parents' names, and the witnesses look to be 2 sisters of the bride.
at 10 Kenmore Street, Tradeston
C R Riddel aged 36 b. Inverness, manager in thread works (still alive in 1905)
Jessie " aged 36 b. Glasgow (still alive in 1905)
Christina " aged 9 b. Blantyre (witness at wedding in 1905)
Jessie " aged 7 b. Dunoon
Charlotte " aged 3 b. Paisley (witness at wedding in 1905)
I've got both sides of the family back to 1861 and the Riddels back to 1851. 'Snot fair that you've got the Huttons in 1851 - off to find them. I've managed to find some births and marriages in the IGI.
Christina Hutton married Charles Riddel in 1848 in Strathaven or Gorbals (one of them must have been just banns), had the first child in Strathaven in 1850 and shot off to Inverness to have the other two. By 1861 Charles has disappeared (died?) and Christina and her brood are back in Glasgow with the Hutton clan.
I still can't find any census returns for Mary Woodburn Riddel, only her B M & D.
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