The Winner of WDWTYA? 20th November 2008 is.....

[Elaine ..Spain]

Robert and wife Margaret didn't actually marry until 1908! I think Bren muddled up the generations. The family living at Canterbury Road are Robert's parents, John and Mary.

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

If John was born in the late 1840's and came over here during the potato famine he must have arrived as a small child surely?

What's the earliest census he's been found on?

Is this his wife, Mary Curtis in 1851?

RG9; Piece: 975; Folio: 118; Page: 17

marriage:

Marriages Mar 1875
CURTIS Mary Marylebone 1a 917
Gagey Louis Réné Marylebone 1a 917
LECLERE Marie Eugenie Marylebone 1a 917
McCARTIE John Marylebone 1a 917

Bren, have you got this marriage cert? I was wondering what John's father's details were?

[Elaine ..Spain]

I am sure this is him on the 1871
RG10; Piece: 184; Folio: 57; Page: 72
John McCartie born c 1848 Ireland
Living marylebone - occ Police Constable.

[brenmac]

1901 – mistranscribed as McCarlie (on Ancestry)
RG13; Piece: 643; Folio: 7; Page: 6.

John Mc Carlie age 53 - occupation Coffee House Keeper
Mary Mc Carlie age 43
Denis Mc Carlie age 22
Edward Mc Carlie age 15
Elizabeth Mc Carlie age 18
Francis Mc Carlie age 13

Address 196 Canterbury Road, Croydon

thankyou were there ,i wonder if he did this after being in the police force as he went in the police force at 22.what census year was this ?brenda xon he 1891 census mary is missing could she have died?

[Elaine ..Spain]

That was the 1901 census.

[brenmac]

I am sure this is him on the 1871
RG10; Piece: 184; Folio: 57; Page: 72
John McCartie born c 1848 Ireland
Living marylebone - occ Police Constable.

yes i have his police record,as i have just said above mary was missing on the 1891,yet when he died his wife was at the funeral so she cant have died i have a paper cutting saying so i will post.brenda xxx

[brenmac]

If John was born in the late 1840's and came over here during the potato famine he must have arrived as a small child surely?

What's the earliest census he's been found on?

Is this his wife, Mary Curtis in 1851?

RG9; Piece: 975; Folio: 118; Page: 17

marriage:

Marriages Mar 1875
CURTIS Mary Marylebone 1a 917
Gagey Louis Réné Marylebone 1a 917
LECLERE Marie Eugenie Marylebone 1a 917
McCARTIE John Marylebone 1a 917

Bren, have you got this marriage cert? I was wondering what John's father's details were?

merry thats what i am saying he couldnt have come on his own.brenda xxx

[Elaine ..Spain]

..... mary was missing on the 1891,yet when he died his wife was at the funeral so she cant have died i have a paper cutting saying so i will post.brenda xxx

I don't think Mary was missing on the 1891 census

1891
RG12; Piece: 620; Folio 80; Page 25

John Mc Cartie age 42
Mary Mc Cartie age 41
Robert Mc Cartie age 15
Denis Mc Cartie age 13
James Mc Cartie age 11
Elizabeth Mc Cartie age 8
Edward Mc Cartie age 5
Francis Mc Cartie age 3

address 7 Adelaide Villas, Jocelyn Road, Richmond

[brenmac]

Robert and wife Margaret didn't actually marry until 1908! I think Bren muddled up the generations. The family living at Canterbury Road are Robert's parents, John and Mary.

got it in one elaine yes john and mary,had robert senior,then trevors dad was robert junior. too many roberts and john,s lol brenda xxx

[brenmac]

I don't think Mary was missing on the 1891 census

1891
RG12; Piece: 620; Folio 80; Page 25

John Mc Cartie age 42
Mary Mc Cartie age 41
Robert Mc Cartie age 15
Denis Mc Cartie age 13
James Mc Cartie age 11
Elizabeth Mc Cartie age 8
Edward Mc Cartie age 5
Francis Mc Cartie age 3

address 7 Adelaide Villas, Jocelyn Road, Richmond

elaine i had a printout forest dean history and they had all the names but mary.
is there any way of finding any of the family on the census?brenda

[Elaine ..Spain]

That list I have given above is the family as listed in the 1891 census

[brenmac]

merry i only have trevors dads and grandfathers, wedding certificates brenda xxx

[brenmac]

hope you can read this it gives his sons and daughters on, not good i dont know how to make it better i might have a copy on white paper i will see if i can find it brenda xxxbrenda xxx

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Well you need John and Mary's marriage cert then!

I was going to say, Mary was on 1891 as that's where I got her place of birth from!! lol (Great Stukeley, Huntingdonshire)

[Elaine ..Spain]

is there any way of finding any of the family on the census?brenda

1881 census
RG11; Piece: 815; Folio: 88; Page: 52;
John McCarthy age 33 – occ Police Sergeant
Mary McCarthy age 31
Dennis age 3
James age 11 months
Robert J M age 5

1891 census - see post #28

1901 census - see post #17

[brenmac]

1881 census
RG11; Piece: 815; Folio: 88; Page: 52;
John McCarthy age 33 – occ Police Sergeant
Mary McCarthy age 31
Dennis age 3
James age 11 months
Robert J M age 5

1891 census - see post #28

1901 census - see post #17

elaine when they married it says she was 10 years older than himshe was born 1858 cork,he was 1848 cork.yet her she is only 2 years younger?brenda xx

[Elaine ..Spain]

elaine when they married it says she was 10 years older than himshe was born 1858 cork,he was 1848 cork.yet her she is only 2 years younger?brenda xx

Bren - are you talking about John and Mary.
If you haven't got their marriage certificate where did you get the ages from and why do you think Mary was born in Cork?
On the census Mary gives her place of birth as Great Stukeley, Huntingdonshire (c1850) - not Ireland.

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Yes, and I posted up her 1851 census entry earlier! (post #22)

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Ah, did he marry twice?

Deaths Jun 1892
McCartie Mary 42 Fulham 1a 183


Marriages Jun 1894
Hawthorne Mary Fulham 1a 517
McCartie John Fulham 1a 517
Roche Mary Fulham 1a 517
Warner Herbert John Fulham 1a 517

The second Mrs M was from Ireland!

[brenmac]

this is the same family brenda xxx