asking for my second candadian cousin

[brenmac]

please can someone help looking for edward dunnig married tryphena carnall born 1897 they were from liverpool,her parents were john doulas lane carnall and mary hewitt he died in ww1 mary went to canada after his death.
thankyou brenda xxx

[Jessbowbag]

when might they have married?

[Jessbowbag]

a birth - Carnall Tryphena Elizabeth W. Derby 8b 283 1874 , but i guess she was born later than that

( there is one born 1898 on 1901 lancs census)

[Mary from Italy]

This is the only marriage I can see for John Douglas Carnall:

Marriages Mar 1868
BATSTONE Mary Ann St Thomas 5b 61
>> Carnall John Douglas L St Thomas 5b 61
DARK Mary St Thomas 5b 61
DARKE Mary St Thomas 5b 61
ROWE George St.Thomas 5b 61

[brenmac]

a birth - Carnall Tryphena Elizabeth W. Derby 8b 283 1874 , but i guess she was born later than that

( there is one born 1898 on 1901 lancs census)

jess one was born 20 years difference same name she maried 1897 brenda xxx

[Jessbowbag]

who married in 1897 Bren?

[brenmac]

edward dunning and tryphena carnall she had a child out of wedlock
brenda xxx

[Jessbowbag]

you said that was when she was born!

what was the child called please

Marriages Jun 1897
Carnall John Liverpool 8b 204
Hewitt Mary Liverpool 8b 204

[brenmac]

peggy (elizabeth)brenda xxx

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

you said that was when she was born!

what was the child called please

Marriages Jun 1897
Carnall John Liverpool 8b 204
Hewitt Mary Liverpool 8b 204

Is this the daughter?

Births Mar 1898
Carnall Tryphenia Elizabeth W. Derby 8b 567

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

If Tryphenia b 1898 went to Canada with her mother, maybe she married Edward Dunning there?

[Jessbowbag]

hang on a moment

lets sort this out a bit.

Tryphena Carnall had a daug before she was married. ( called Peggy or Elizabeth)

her parents seem to have married the year you say she was married - i think you are in a bit if a muddle.

Cross posted with Merry

[brenmac]

john and mary were tryphena,s parents its her husband were trying to get info on ,,,,,brenda xxx

[brenmac]

If Tryphenia b 1898 went to Canada with her mother, maybe she married Edward Dunning there?

sorry they were married 1897 brenda xxx

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

I thought you said Tryphenia b 1898 married Edward Dunning. She can't have done so before she was born!!

[Jessbowbag]

she cant have married Edward Dunning in 1897 bren, she wasn't born

[Elaine ..Spain]

There are a couple of trees on Ancestry, which if correct, might help.

Tryphena Elizabeth Carnall born c1874 Liverpool
parents John Anthony D Carnall and Mary Batstone
Tryphena married William Ponsford in 1893

Tryphena Elizabeth Carnall born 1898 Liverpool
parents John Douglas L Carnall and Mary Hewitt

I thought Bren was saying that the second Tryphena married an Edward Dunnig (?Dunning) and that he died in WW1. If this is the case she married at a very young age. I have done a quick flit through the marriages from 1913-1918 and cannot see anything (hope I haven´t missed it if it is there),

[Jessbowbag]

No, I thought tryphenia's FATHER died and her mother mary twizzled off to canada

[brenmac]

im going to have to ask him to put it up,he has a fair and runs a stall in canada and has been busy so i said i would ask for him ..this is what he gave me

edward dunning married tryphena carnall she was born in liverpool had one child before mariage called peggy elizabeth.that is all he knows about these 2 ,but he has her parents

brenda xxx

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

There's this on CWGC:

Name: CARNALL
Initials: J D L
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Canadian Infantry (Saskatchewan Regiment)
Unit Text: 28th Bn.
Date of Death: 04/10/1918
Service No: 104187
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: LXVII. H. 6.
Cemetery: ETAPLES MILITARY CEMETERY


But no age for him.