Births at Sea?

[allie island]

My neighbour is looking for a couple of dates for ancestors born at sea between Liverpool and Durban (SA) in the 1850's.

The father was Master Mariner (Captain?) Thomas Goble Chapman, and presumably took his family on these trips.

Would the births be registered in Liverpool (where the ship was presumably registered) or Durban?

I've suggested she contact the National Maritime Museum and the Liverpool records office, but any other suggestions most welcome

[Elaine ..Spain]

There is a Births at Sea index on Findmypast covering the years 1854-1887.
Do you have the names she is looking for?

[It_Is_I_Leclerc]

Just had a look at Marine Births between 1850-60 and couldn't see any for Chapman.

L

[allie island]

Thanks both of you!

One is MARY OLIVIA CHAPMAN - possibly born Aug.12th but year unknown.

[Elaine ..Spain]

Do you have the names she is looking for?

Doh! Just seen the name Chapman! :o
Will check.

[Christine in Herts]

There's a Mary Olivia CHAPMAN registered 1855 in Salford (Regent Road sub-district)
(http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi)

Unfortunately, those haven't got the MMN yet.

Christine


PS - It's probably a match for the registration in the Dec Quarter - slightly late for mid-Aug, but not impossible.
PPS - She's probably the daughter of James and Ann: RG9/2915fo 40 p 41, so not the right one - but could be related, since they've gone for amore unusual name-combination.

[Elaine ..Spain]

On the overseas births index
1854 - 1858 database - no result
1858 - 1865 database - two shows

female child born 6 Oct 1863 - mother Mary Chapman
female child born 8 March 1858 - parents Andrew and Margaret Chapman

There is no index for the pre 1854 period

[Elaine ..Spain]

There's a Mary Olivia CHAPMAN registered 1855 in Salford
(http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi)

There is a christening on the IGI which could relate to this one

Mary Olivia Chapman
Christening: 23 DEC 1855 St Bartholomew,Salford, , Lancashire, England
Father: John Chapman
Mother: Elizabeth

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Is this them in 1861?

RG9; Piece: 2642; Folio: 94; Page: 22

Thomas G Chapman, father and the son Walter has middle name Goble on his birth reg (1857). Thomas is a merchant though????

Mum is Elfreda P Chapman.

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Mary Olivia Chapman
Christening: 23 DEC 1855 St Bartholomew,Salford, , Lancashire, England

This one is with that 1861 family! She was born in China (I read it as Worthing Sussex the first time! lol)

[allie island]

Is this them in 1861?

RG9; Piece: 2642; Folio: 94; Page: 22

Thomas G Chapman, father and the son Walter has middle name Goble on his birth reg (1857). Thomas is a merchant though????

Mum is Elfreda P Chapman.

Bingo Merry!

Maybe occupation of Thomas should read Merchant SEAMAN

Is Mary Olivia with them though?

[allie island]

This one is with that 1861 family! She was born in China (I read it as Worthing Sussex the first time! lol)

This must be her ....... I warned my neighbour not to take for gospel what rellies had told her!

She'll be thrilled

[allie island]

LOL Merry!

It looks like WORTHING CHINA doesn't it?

Thanks for a great bit of work!

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

This made me larff (Ancestry)

Think this is supposed to be Elfreda Potter Partridge and her parents. The marriage for her to Thomas Chapman is submitted on the IGI, but I expect you've seen that!

1841

Elforda Polton Partridge 8
Mary Charlotte Partridge 30
Richard Partridge 45

at Wotton Under Edge, Gloucestershire

[allie island]

Thanks!

LOL!!

[allie island]

Have printed up the census and my neighbour is thrilled and well impressed by the kind people on here

Thanks again!

I should have gone for the (obvious) first step of looking at the census rather than believing her family legend!

Just goes to show doesn't it?

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

The first thing I did was to put the name "Goble Chapman" into Ancestry which gave me Walter's birth reg and led me to that census image

[Molly and Muriel]

Thanks for that. I am the neighbour, and I've got very enthused about this. It was amazing to see they'd had Mary Olivia Chapman at sea, as a first child, when Elfreda the mother was 19 years old. They had their next in Liverpool, but the third, Olivier George Chapman born at sea, was registered in Batavia Java. Any ideas how I can find out the name of the ship?
Molly and Muriel