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    My g-grandfather was born in Germany in the 1850s; the family story was that he left to avoid being drafted into the Prussian army (the Franco-Prussian war started 1870).

    Perhaps something similar persuaded your man to move to England, which might help narrow down where he came from?
    Last edited by Lindsay; 05-03-13 at 13:32.

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    Night Owl: I have looked at that site and Wieland doesn't come up in any searches. I have considered joining and maybe get some help that way; I do have a lot of information to share with them on a lot of German families, as all 4 of my paternal great grandparents were of German ancestry, although they were all born here, and the other 3 branches I have managed to trace back a few generations.

    kylejustin: good point about the religion, I'll look more closely at the evangelical records. Theresia was born in Whitechapel, and her parents, although both born in Germany, married here, and as they came from different areas of Germany I assume they met here. I suppose it is possible that Ernst knew one or the other of them and that was why he came here, but that is a bit of a long shot, especially as they arrived here at least 10 years before him.

    margaretmarch: The witnesses are not related as far as I know, but I can't find either of them on the previous or subsequent censuses, so they could have come over from Germany for the wedding, but again not on any passenger lists. The WW1 aliens register as far as I can tell hasn't survived. TNA have alien registration cards from 1918 onward, but he isn't there. The trade organisations are a possibility; I will chase that up.
    Co-ordinator for PoW project Southern Region 08
    Researching:- Wieland, Habbes, Saettele, Bowinkelmann, Freckenhauser, Dilger in Germany
    Kincaid, Warner, Hitchman, Collie, Curtis, Pocock, Stanley, Nixey, McDonald in London, Berks, Bucks, Oxon and West Midlands
    Drake, Beals, Pritchard in Kent
    Devine in Ireland

  3. #13
    Lindsay: that is a good point. Along a similar line I have a letter written by a relative (the widow of a descendent of one of my great uncles) that mentions a family story that somewhere in the family someone was a personal bodyguard to the Kaiser, but they don't say which Kaiser, or what the relationship was. I can't follow it up as she died several years ago, before I knew of the existance of the letter. I suppose it could have been Ernst's brother but I haven't been able to confirm it.
    Co-ordinator for PoW project Southern Region 08
    Researching:- Wieland, Habbes, Saettele, Bowinkelmann, Freckenhauser, Dilger in Germany
    Kincaid, Warner, Hitchman, Collie, Curtis, Pocock, Stanley, Nixey, McDonald in London, Berks, Bucks, Oxon and West Midlands
    Drake, Beals, Pritchard in Kent
    Devine in Ireland

  4. #14
    Pete, are you 100% sure that Bowinkelmann is the correct surname? "Winkelmann" is a very common German surname in Lower Saxony. I have been resident here in Germany for over 30 years and I have never heard of the surname "Bowinkelmann".

    Brian

  5. #15
    Definately Bowinkelmann.

    I have her marriage and birth certificates, the birth certificates of several siblings, her parents marriage certificate and her aunt's marriage certificate, my 2x great grandfather arriving in London on a passenger list in 1858, my 2x great aunt and her daughter on passenger lists leaving for India and returning in 1926, as well as various relatives on every census from 1861 to 1911 (admittedly with various spellings, but still recognisable).

    According to census entries the family originate from Westphalia, although I haven't traced any records for them there yet.
    Co-ordinator for PoW project Southern Region 08
    Researching:- Wieland, Habbes, Saettele, Bowinkelmann, Freckenhauser, Dilger in Germany
    Kincaid, Warner, Hitchman, Collie, Curtis, Pocock, Stanley, Nixey, McDonald in London, Berks, Bucks, Oxon and West Midlands
    Drake, Beals, Pritchard in Kent
    Devine in Ireland

  6. #16
    I got a good start using www etc familienanzeigen.genealogy.net. From there I opened the hits*Treffer and was presented with a lot of info re BMD for my family name and areas of where they came from. I also looked at Kew and got a list of the germany and polish jewish records datebase to see if I matched the area, waiting to go there to hunt down a good lead. I joined a german jewish group to rule in or out the family name origin, they helped a lot and made suggestions. I noticed whilst researching that some Universities out there hold the local records and of course the registry office (once the area is known is the place to contact but they may direct you to the nearest regional office ie Berlin. It is a lot of detective work and more to pay this end...I got info from newspaper reports and the police bulletins they issued out there. Anyway you may have done all this but good luck and dont give up. Carol

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    15 familytrees for Bowinkelmann ...the majority are in Warburg,Germany
    this man has 38 Bowinkelmann in his tree ...see if any look familiar
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    allan
    ADDED...just looked at that tree...there is a THERISIA Bowinkelmann b 1844 parents are Carl Boweinkelman b 1818 and Anna Maria Elisabeth Biomeke
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  8. #18
    Thanks Garstonite.

    I have seen those trees and although they are almost certainly related as Bowinkelmann is such a rare name, I can't actually work out where the link is.

    My great grandmother Theresia was born in London in 1863 and her father is Wilhelm, who was born in Westphalia in 1838 but his father is Peter (from his marriage certificate, and his sister's marriage certificate confirms it). His sister (herself Theresia, but not the one you mention) was born in 1847, so I am looking for Peter being born around 1797 to 1818 (based on Theresia not being born after he was 50 and Wilhelm not being born before he was 20)

    I suspect that the Carl you mention is a brother of Peter (based on date of birth), but as I can't find Peter anywhere I can't make the link. I plan to go to Germany in the not too distant future in the hope that I can find church records for the area. The Bowinkelmanns you mention seem to be clustered in Germete, a very small villiage near Warburg, which is quite a small town itself.
    Co-ordinator for PoW project Southern Region 08
    Researching:- Wieland, Habbes, Saettele, Bowinkelmann, Freckenhauser, Dilger in Germany
    Kincaid, Warner, Hitchman, Collie, Curtis, Pocock, Stanley, Nixey, McDonald in London, Berks, Bucks, Oxon and West Midlands
    Drake, Beals, Pritchard in Kent
    Devine in Ireland

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