Your opinion on a death cert please?

Ozzie Gert · 05-07-08, 06:49

I have the death cert of who i think is my 2x gt grandmother

Dinah Sowter was born Jan 1799 in Bolehill Derbyshire, daughter of George Sowter and Dinah Simms

Married William Shipley in 1824 St Alkmund Derby

2 children, Sarah born 1827 and William born 1830, both baptised as adults in 1844

The death cert i have is for a Diana Shipley died 1838 aged 38, place of death is St Peters, a nurse is the informant

1841 census has the son William in St Peters workhouse and Sarah is with her grandfather George . Dont know where William the father is.

Questions,

1. could Dinah and Diana be the same person?

2, Could St peters on the cert refer to the workhouse where her son was?

I think i have the right cert for Dinah/Diana, but feel i would like the opinion of someome more experienced than i am.

Thank you for any help

Sylvia

Guinevere · 05-07-08, 07:20

The names could well mean the same person and I would say it's very likely that she was in St Peter's workhouse, they also served as hospitals.

Ozzie Gert · 05-07-08, 07:23

Thank you Gwynne, thats what i was thinking

Sylvia

Little Nell · 05-07-08, 10:46

Hallo Sylvia

Yes, Dinah/Diana are likely the same people. The person registering the death probably didn't know her real name, it may have been recorded in the workhouse incorrectly in the first place (or indeed in the baptism register!). The tallying of ages also makes it highly probable that you have the right cert - be glad she wasn't called Mary Jones, lol!

St Peters on the death cert may just have referred to the parish in which she died. Earlier death certs are much less specific than later ones. Though of course, she could have died in the workhouse infirmary.

The workhouse records if they survive should be in the County Records Office.

Ozzie Gert · 05-07-08, 12:16

Thank you Nell, on googling i found that St Peters workhouse was in the church yard and had 11 rooms on the ground floor and 13 sleeping rooms.

Sylvia

Little Nell · 05-07-08, 12:24

Cosy!

My gt gt grandfather was a beadle and vestry messenger in Richmond, Surrey. His address was Vestry House, the Old Burying Ground, Richmond.

The old burying ground is still there. Must have been a comfort to have a view of the graves!

Ozzie Gert · 05-07-08, 13:05

Spooky, wonder if he saw any ghosts.

Sylvia

Kath nr the Crooked Spire · 05-07-08, 13:34

Sylvia

If this is something you would like me to look for when I next go to the record office just put me a few details in an email.

I am going into Chesterfield this afternoon and I will call into the library, if nothing there, I will try the museum to check on the details for Narrow Lane/Broad Pavement for you

Ozzie Gert · 05-07-08, 13:49

Thank you Kathleen, will send an email tomorrow with some details, but i think i read somewhere that the records for that time were destroyed.

Sylvia

05-07-08, 06:49	#1 (permalink)
Ozzie Gert Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Somewhere south of the border Posts: 471	Your opinion on a death cert please? I have the death cert of who i think is my 2x gt grandmother Dinah Sowter was born Jan 1799 in Bolehill Derbyshire, daughter of George Sowter and Dinah Simms Married William Shipley in 1824 St Alkmund Derby 2 children, Sarah born 1827 and William born 1830, both baptised as adults in 1844 The death cert i have is for a Diana Shipley died 1838 aged 38, place of death is St Peters, a nurse is the informant 1841 census has the son William in St Peters workhouse and Sarah is with her grandfather George . Dont know where William the father is. Questions, 1. could Dinah and Diana be the same person? 2, Could St peters on the cert refer to the workhouse where her son was? I think i have the right cert for Dinah/Diana, but feel i would like the opinion of someome more experienced than i am. Thank you for any help Sylvia __________________ Derbyshire :- Gough, Tomlinson, Fletcher, Shipley, Spencer, Calladine, Rogers, Kerry, Robotham Leicestershire:- Gough, Cooper, Underwood Staffordshire:- Robotham

05-07-08, 07:20	#2 (permalink)
Guinevere Magazine Editor Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: in a world of her own Posts: 2,499	The names could well mean the same person and I would say it's very likely that she was in St Peter's workhouse, they also served as hospitals. __________________ Gwynne “Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.” Marcus Tullius Cicero

05-07-08, 07:23	#3 (permalink)
Ozzie Gert Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Somewhere south of the border Posts: 471	Thank you Gwynne, thats what i was thinking Sylvia __________________ Derbyshire :- Gough, Tomlinson, Fletcher, Shipley, Spencer, Calladine, Rogers, Kerry, Robotham Leicestershire:- Gough, Cooper, Underwood Staffordshire:- Robotham

05-07-08, 10:46	#4 (permalink)
Little Nell Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North Hertfordshire Posts: 4,915	Hallo Sylvia Yes, Dinah/Diana are likely the same people. The person registering the death probably didn't know her real name, it may have been recorded in the workhouse incorrectly in the first place (or indeed in the baptism register!). The tallying of ages also makes it highly probable that you have the right cert - be glad she wasn't called Mary Jones, lol! St Peters on the death cert may just have referred to the parish in which she died. Earlier death certs are much less specific than later ones. Though of course, she could have died in the workhouse infirmary. The workhouse records if they survive should be in the County Records Office. __________________ ~love from Little Nell~ Chowns, Dunt, Emms, Mealing, Purvey & Smoothy ------------------------------------------------ Transcriptions in this post are Crown copyright unless otherwise stated.

05-07-08, 12:16	#5 (permalink)
Ozzie Gert Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Somewhere south of the border Posts: 471	Thank you Nell, on googling i found that St Peters workhouse was in the church yard and had 11 rooms on the ground floor and 13 sleeping rooms. Sylvia __________________ Derbyshire :- Gough, Tomlinson, Fletcher, Shipley, Spencer, Calladine, Rogers, Kerry, Robotham Leicestershire:- Gough, Cooper, Underwood Staffordshire:- Robotham

05-07-08, 12:24	#6 (permalink)
Little Nell Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North Hertfordshire Posts: 4,915	Cosy! My gt gt grandfather was a beadle and vestry messenger in Richmond, Surrey. His address was Vestry House, the Old Burying Ground, Richmond. The old burying ground is still there. Must have been a comfort to have a view of the graves! __________________ ~love from Little Nell~ Chowns, Dunt, Emms, Mealing, Purvey & Smoothy ------------------------------------------------ Transcriptions in this post are Crown copyright unless otherwise stated.

05-07-08, 13:05	#7 (permalink)
Ozzie Gert Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Somewhere south of the border Posts: 471	Spooky, wonder if he saw any ghosts. Sylvia __________________ Derbyshire :- Gough, Tomlinson, Fletcher, Shipley, Spencer, Calladine, Rogers, Kerry, Robotham Leicestershire:- Gough, Cooper, Underwood Staffordshire:- Robotham

05-07-08, 13:34	#8 (permalink)
Kath nr the Crooked Spire Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 255	Sylvia If this is something you would like me to look for when I next go to the record office just put me a few details in an email. I am going into Chesterfield this afternoon and I will call into the library, if nothing there, I will try the museum to check on the details for Narrow Lane/Broad Pavement for you __________________ Kathleen

05-07-08, 13:49	#9 (permalink)
Ozzie Gert Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Somewhere south of the border Posts: 471	Thank you Kathleen, will send an email tomorrow with some details, but i think i read somewhere that the records for that time were destroyed. Sylvia __________________ Derbyshire :- Gough, Tomlinson, Fletcher, Shipley, Spencer, Calladine, Rogers, Kerry, Robotham Leicestershire:- Gough, Cooper, Underwood Staffordshire:- Robotham

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