Any ideas for tracing someone in 1901 ???

Val wish Id never started · 26-03-08, 11:16

I have a letter from Dr Barnados outlining some of my rellies facts.
One being that a married sister is living in Fishersgate Brighton in 1900.
Her name is Elizabeth Emily Muller, probably using the surname Miller, born 1880 Finsbury Holborn Middlesex
Have searched for all possible marriages in and around the Sussex area, and also Middlesex
Any ideas on a better way of searching thanks

Gwen@coggiecorner · 26-03-08, 13:17

Are you posistive that she married? Is this her birth
Elizabeth Emily Muller 1880, Holborn, Vol 1B, page 42

Gwen@coggiecorner · 26-03-08, 13:23

have you found her on a census?

Gwen@coggiecorner · 26-03-08, 13:32

had a long look not found anything so far sorry.

Merry Monty Montgomery · 26-03-08, 13:35

Having fiddled with the 1881 census (coz that's the only one it works on...) If you put Fishersgate in the Keywords box, the majority of the resulting people live in Southwick Sussex.

Armed with this, I looked at marriages after 1895 for variable surnames on Elizabeth Emily Muller. Found this one:

Marriages Dec 1898
Ansell David James Steyning 2b 650
GANDER Lucy Ann Steyning 2b 650
MILLER Elizabeth Emily Steyning 2b 650
Stanley Noah Steyning 2b 650

Steyning happens to cover Southwick. David Ansell is in Southwick and his wife is Lucy A, so looked for Noah Stanley instead. He shows as married, but with no wife, living in Southwick and in the hamlet of Fishersgate (top right of census page)

RG13; Piece: 944; Folio: 46; Page: 37

Maybe you have already found Mrs Stanley and she's not the one?

KiteRunner · 26-03-08, 13:40

You probably know this already, Val, but just thought I would mention that if somebody was born in Finsbury / Holborn then there are probably loads of different birthplaces they might put down on the census just to confuse us, plus if they are out of London on census night they might well just give their birthplace as London.

Val wish Id never started · 26-03-08, 13:42

Hi thanks for all your help yes she is the one born in 1880 Gwen have her on all census up till her father died in 1892 but cannot find her after that.
Merry yes I found those marriages too trying to remember why I discounted Noah Stanley??? seems the most likely doesnt it ?? shall have to get my notes out thanks very much again

Val wish Id never started · 26-03-08, 13:47

Thanks Kite I am wondering if Elizabeth is the servant I found working in the right area which would of course wold explain why that Noah does not have his wife with him as she was maybe somewhere else on census day ?????????????
Off to investigate again thanks a lot

Little Nell · 26-03-08, 13:54

Except that the census was supposed to record everyone who was at the property at night. And although she may have been working, domestic live-in servants generally gave up that work when they married.

Jessbowbag · 26-03-08, 13:57

are there any little Stanleys with Noah?

26-03-08, 11:16	#1 (permalink)
Val wish Id never started Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Not Telling Posts: 1,362	Any ideas for tracing someone in 1901 ??? I have a letter from Dr Barnados outlining some of my rellies facts. One being that a married sister is living in Fishersgate Brighton in 1900. Her name is Elizabeth Emily Muller, probably using the surname Miller, born 1880 Finsbury Holborn Middlesex Have searched for all possible marriages in and around the Sussex area, and also Middlesex Any ideas on a better way of searching thanks __________________ http://www.familytreeforum.com/wiki/...everstarted-73

26-03-08, 13:17	#2 (permalink)
Gwen@coggiecorner Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Essex Posts: 532	Are you posistive that she married? Is this her birth Elizabeth Emily Muller 1880, Holborn, Vol 1B, page 42 __________________ Gwen

26-03-08, 13:23	#3 (permalink)
Gwen@coggiecorner Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Essex Posts: 532	have you found her on a census? __________________ Gwen

26-03-08, 13:32	#4 (permalink)
Gwen@coggiecorner Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Essex Posts: 532	had a long look not found anything so far sorry. __________________ Gwen

26-03-08, 13:40	#6 (permalink)
KiteRunner Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road Posts: 7,032	You probably know this already, Val, but just thought I would mention that if somebody was born in Finsbury / Holborn then there are probably loads of different birthplaces they might put down on the census just to confuse us, plus if they are out of London on census night they might well just give their birthplace as London. __________________ KiteRunner Information Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Every five years or so I look back on my life and I have a good... laugh" (Indigo Girls, "Watershed")

26-03-08, 13:35	#5 (permalink)
Merry Monty Montgomery Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,315	Having fiddled with the 1881 census (coz that's the only one it works on...) If you put Fishersgate in the Keywords box, the majority of the resulting people live in Southwick Sussex. Armed with this, I looked at marriages after 1895 for variable surnames on Elizabeth Emily Muller. Found this one: Marriages Dec 1898 Ansell David James Steyning 2b 650 GANDER Lucy Ann Steyning 2b 650 MILLER Elizabeth Emily Steyning 2b 650 Stanley Noah Steyning 2b 650 Steyning happens to cover Southwick. David Ansell is in Southwick and his wife is Lucy A, so looked for Noah Stanley instead. He shows as married, but with no wife, living in Southwick and in the hamlet of Fishersgate (top right of census page) RG13; Piece: 944; Folio: 46; Page: 37 Maybe you have already found Mrs Stanley and she's not the one?

26-03-08, 13:42	#7 (permalink)
Val wish Id never started Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Not Telling Posts: 1,362	Hi thanks for all your help yes she is the one born in 1880 Gwen have her on all census up till her father died in 1892 but cannot find her after that. Merry yes I found those marriages too trying to remember why I discounted Noah Stanley??? seems the most likely doesnt it ?? shall have to get my notes out thanks very much again __________________ http://www.familytreeforum.com/wiki/...everstarted-73

26-03-08, 13:47	#8 (permalink)
Val wish Id never started Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Not Telling Posts: 1,362	Thanks Kite I am wondering if Elizabeth is the servant I found working in the right area which would of course wold explain why that Noah does not have his wife with him as she was maybe somewhere else on census day ????????????? Off to investigate again thanks a lot __________________ http://www.familytreeforum.com/wiki/...everstarted-73

26-03-08, 13:54	#9 (permalink)
Little Nell Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North Hertfordshire Posts: 4,915	Except that the census was supposed to record everyone who was at the property at night. And although she may have been working, domestic live-in servants generally gave up that work when they married. __________________ ~love from Little Nell~ Chowns, Dunt, Emms, Mealing, Purvey & Smoothy ------------------------------------------------ Transcriptions in this post are Crown copyright unless otherwise stated.

26-03-08, 13:57	#10 (permalink)
Jessbowbag Wiki Advisor Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In a place I dont like very much Posts: 8,324	are there any little Stanleys with Noah? __________________ *Jess* Optimism is "an inclination to put the most favorable construction upon actions and events or to anticipate the best possible outcome" I'm trying but it hard

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