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  • Manchester help, please!

    I'm trying to get a feel for the sort of area one of my relatives was living in around the 1860's.

    The address is Sivan Street (which doesn't seem to exist now) and on the 1861 census this is recorded as being in the Market Street area (district 18)

    If you want to see the 1861 census page, then just look up Eliza Ann Rellpiene (you'll only find the one as that's not her actual name, just Ancestry's effort! lol)

    Any comments greatly appreciated......

  • #2
    The address is Swan St. Manchester and it is at the Junction of Oldham Road and Great Ancoats Street..it is still there today and possibly as it was in the 19c..
    A street of shops leading to the Cathedral and the Railway Station. The general area is Ancoats and was a very busy and populated area with one of those old fashioned large courtyards surrounded by houses, flats etc but for the poorer people who work in the mills nearby.
    Although it was a busy populated area there would have been a mixture of desolate and better of business people...my ancestors had a brick making company there Jacksons Brickworks but the houses they lived in were quite small.
    I would not be surprised if the shop your ancester had is still there but a lot have been knoked down for redevelopement....it is over 12 months since I last visited or passed through as I park in Ancoats when I visit the Archives

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    • #3
      On one side of the street was Smithfield Market built in 1857 it is or was on the corner of Tib st but only the entrance is there now.. preserved for historic reasons.... there are photographs on Google Images under Swan St Manchester

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      • #4
        The address is Swan St. Manchester
        Oh, that's really funny! lol

        It's written as Sivan on a birth cert from the local reg office and on the GRO film record for a death cert, so I had decided they MUST mean that! lol No wonder I couldn't find it!

        Thanks for the information about the area, that's very helpful. I presume that part of Manchester would have been known as Ancoats in the 1860's as well as today?

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        • #5
          I've just looked at the "Sivan" Street birth cert and I notice the address says Shudehill too, would that just be part of Ancoats?

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          • #6
            Yep ! its the same area of Manchester.

            goodyg.

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            • #7
              Thanks goodyg

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              • #8
                Haha, Merry! Your ancestors must have known mine. I have loads in Ancoats.

                OC

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                • #9
                  They would have had to be quick! Mine arrived in 1860, opened the shoe shop and had a child, in 1861 the husband died and the wife and child went back to Reading!! lol

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                  • #10
                    This is from a 1849 map
                    PAT

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                    • #11
                      Oh, my lot would definitely have been in the shoe shop the minute it opened, Merry!

                      Can't see Smith St/South St, though. Perhaps built after this map was drawn?

                      OC

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                      • #12
                        What number Swan St Merry?
                        PAT

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                        • #13
                          Shudehill in 1881 (I couldn't find an older image):



                          Rochdale Road/Swan Street in 1900:



                          Manchester City Council have a brilliant image collection:

                          Manchester City Council
                          Last edited by Mary from Italy; 19-11-08, 17:25.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Pat Hope View Post
                            What number Swan St Merry?
                            Number 19, Pat!

                            Thanks for all your replies.

                            Mary I will have a look at those links after my dinner (OH is whinging because I should be eating it now :(). Thanks very much!!

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                            • #15
                              Pat, thanks for the map, I can see number 19 was most likely near the junction with Oldham Road, as that's the next street on the census!

                              Mary some of those photos are great on that Manchester site. I'm afraid I was just looking randomly! lol

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                              • #16
                                Hi Merry ...The map is described as Manchester (New Cross) 1849. On the back are extracts from Slater's directory 1848 which shows that Richard H Southall boot manufacturer was at 19 Swan St. Either side were grocers.
                                PAT

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                                • #17
                                  Oooh, that's interesting Pat.

                                  I looked at the Historical Directories site which shows Richard Southall was there in 1853, but he was also there in 1863, with my relatives there in between!! Unexpected

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                                  • #18
                                    Can you help me too ? Christopher's 1847 birth certificate says COURT or COUTTS BANK street ? I cannot seem to find it. By 1851 they had moved to Cuthbert St Newtown. His grandparents lived in Short St Ancoats.

                                    Di
                                    Diane
                                    Sydney Australia
                                    Avatar: Reuben Edward Page and Lilly Mary Anne Dawson

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