Banns called in 1840 ,married in 1863 ??

[Val wish Id never started]

Am getting totally confused
Benjamin Hall and Mary Ann Goozee
Banns called in 1840 yet they married in 1863 and are together as Husband and Wife in 1861 with children ??
Any ideas ??? thanks

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=View&r=5538&dbid=1623&iid=31280_194784-00589&fn=Mary+Ann&ln=Goozee&st=r&ssrc=pt_t6737403_p1258750773_kpidz0q3d1258750773z0 q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgPLz0q3dpid&pid=6580504


http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=lmamarriages&h=7066529&ti=5538&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t6737403_p1258750773_kpidz0q3d1258750773z0 q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgPLz0q3dpid

[Chrissie Smiff]

Are they together in 1851 too Val?

[Val wish Id never started]

thanks Chrissie just looking for them

[Chrissie Smiff]

I don't know the London areas but what about these two? The children ages would fit but I haven't seen the 1861 like you have and I don't know when/where they were both born.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=1&gsfn=Benjamin&gsln=Hall&sx=&f1=&f2=&f4=&f18=&f12__n=&rg_81004011__date=&rs_81004011__date=0&f27=&f14=&f15=&_8000C002=&_80008002=&_80018002=Mary+A&f7=&f8=&f9=&gskw=&prox=1&db=uki1851&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=35&fh=8&h=269426&recoff=6+7+87

[Elaine ..Spain]

Can you give the 1861 link - found this one but not sure if it's the right one

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=0&gsfn=benj*&gsln=hall&sx=&f1=&f2=&f4=&f18=&f12__n=&rg_81004011__date=&rs_81004011__date=0&f27=&f14=&f15=&_8000C002=&_80008002=&_80018002=mary&f7=&f8=&f9=&gskw=&prox=1&db=uki1861&ti=5538&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=35&fh=5&h=5686887&recoff=1+2+83
RG9; Piece: 260; Folio: 130; Page: 41

[Val wish Id never started]

yes thats them Chrissie and they are together in 1841 with that son Benjamin ? in Whitechapel??

[Elaine ..Spain]

Snap Chrissie - seems we have gone for the same family!

[Val wish Id never started]

oops sorry Elaine just seen your post as its not exactly a common name am more or less sure it is the right girl?

[Val wish Id never started]

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?ssrc=pt_t6737403_p1258780049_kpidz0q3d1258 780049z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgPLz0q3dpid&srchb=r&gss=angs-g&rank=1&tid=6737403&pid=1258780049&gsfn=Benjamin&gsln=Hall&msrpn__ftp=England&msgdy=1863&msgpn__ftp=Hackney%2c+Middlesex&msfng=Michael&msfns=Hall&mssng0=Mary+Ann&mssns0=Goozee&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=5686887&recoff=1+2+83+84&db=uki1861&indiv=1
1861

[Elaine ..Spain]

Well, I suppose a possible explanation is they got cold feet and didn't marry when the Banns were called! :)
Cannot see an earlier marriage for them.

[Chrissie Smiff]

Great minds think alike Elaine :D

I wonder if the first marriage has been missed and they were just renewing their vows? Mind you, I haven't heard of that until recent times.

[Val wish Id never started]

been looking for the childrens baptisms definitely the right family , maybe your right ??? thanks both

[Christine in Herts]

Banns aren't valid indefinitely. From the Marriage Act 1949

12Solemnization of marriage after publication of banns

(1)Subject to the provisions of this Part of this Act, where banns of matrimony have been published, the marriage shall be solemnized in the church or chapel or, as the case may be, one of the churches or chapels in which the banns have been published.

(2)Where a marriage is not solemnized within three months after the completion of the publication of the banns, that publication shall be void and no clergyman shall solemnize the marriage on the authority thereof. (my bold-formatting)

Although that is from 1949, I believe that a similar provision prevailed in earlier times.

Christine

[Val wish Id never started]

thanks for that Christine , its very odd isnt it ? am trying to tie up the records to see whats what .

[Christine in Herts]

I had some thoughts...


mistranscribed dates
different (generation of) couples with similar names
marriage wasn't tied to that set of banns

I don't have Ancestry so can't tell which (if any) is feasible out of those.

Was the actual marriage by banns or licence?

Christine

[Val wish Id never started]

sorry been eating, the marriage was after banns , so maybe there is another lot of Banns called I am looking into that, thanks Christine.

[Val wish Id never started]

thats interesting just found a criminal record for a Benjamin Hall in 1846 ? born abt 1805 wonder if thats him?

[Janet in Yorkshire]

Perhaps there was an objection at the reading of the banns stage first time round?

Jay

[Val wish Id never started]

thanks Janet but they still went ahead and had children ? all baptised with the fathers name ? wonder why they never married before 1863