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OK folks, I think I'm fit to start back if you have anything for me!:smilee:
Hi Vivienne,
I am tracing my maternal line, I have a grooms full name, a brides first name, a location and approximate date. Unfortunately I am unable to get to record office, or purchase certs on the off chance at present to establish the brides surname. Would you be able to help?
The search is for a wedding in Bath 1865 Apr May Jun quarter, from the index there are five possible wives.
I have John James Neil born Marylebone Middx 1836 and Emma born abt 1840 in Bath, they were married some time in Q2 1865 in Bath.
Any help you could give would be greatly appreciated.
Hi Andymak
I've just checked the RO & they have a fiche reader available this afternoon so I'll pop down after lunch.
Elaine ..Spain
16-10-09, 12:28
Andy,
I don't want to do Vivienne out of a job, and I'm sure she will probably give you a better answer than I can, but don't forget that all the Bath BMDs have been fully transcribed on the BathBMD site - Bath Births Marriages & Deaths (http://www.bathbmd.org.uk)
It appears that John James Neil married an Emma White/Emma Adam at St Mark's Church, Lyncombe, Bath.
There are two entries for the same marriage (same reference number) so I presume she was either Emma White, formerly Adam, or Emma Adam, formerly White.
Hopefully Vivienne can sort it for you! :smilee:
Curious! There is no Emma Adam on the FreeBMD index on Ancestry for that year I wonder what the explanation.
Elaine ..Spain
16-10-09, 15:13
Maybe she was Emma White, formerly Adam. The GRO index may only record the entry under her actual name at the time, e.g. White - but when the transcriptions have been done for BathBMD it's possible they have recorded her under both names.
Hopefully Vivienne will have the answer for you later!
Well I wish I had seen your post before I went Elaine. Bath is a nightmare if you don't know the parish.
I searched Bath Abbey, Holy Trinity, Bath St James, Bath St Michael, Bath St Saviour, Bathampton, Bathealton, Batheaston.
While I was doing that the lovely Andy behind the counter was checking out the census & found that Emma was born in Bathwick
So, I searched Bathwick St Mary & 2 parishes ajacent to Bathwick, Claverton & Walcot St Swithin but nowhere could I find a marriage for John James Neil.
While I was doing that Andy was checking the Bathwick, Somerset 1861 census for Emma born around 1840. He found only 2, Emma A Fisher b abt 1841 & Emma White b abt 1838.
At that point, I gave up & came home.:emb:
Now I know what parish I'm looking at I'll check it out next week, do you want a copy of the fiche, they cost 40p last time I got one?:)
Bless you Vivienne, thank you for all your hard work, I will dig around a bit more and see what I can find out.
Hi Vivienne, would details of children help?
Hi Vivienne
I have maternal & paternal peeps I would like to get confirmed.
First, Henry Puddy, b 9 July 1815, Mark, Somerset son of Richard Puddy b 30.12.1787,& Elizabeth Gilling b 4.7.1788. There are numerous Richard Puddy's and I'm not sure which one is correct. I have Richard as son of John Puddy b 12 Jul 1767 & Mary Purnell b. 3.6.1763. They were all born Mark, Somerset. My line goes back further, but a relative has a different line and I dont know who is right. I'll save the maternal line for another time.
Not sure which day I'm going but will do Judy.
Andy, do you want that print out or just my transcription?
Hopefully I'll get a fiche reader tomorrow as I have arranged to meet someone at the RO in the afternoon.:Wink:
Hi Vivienne, the print would be great if you can provide that for me, I have been digging around and still cannot clarify things any further. As said I have all the childrens names but am not sure when mothers maiden names started appearing in the indexes.
Sorry but I only found out it was Bathwick while you were down the RO else I would have said sooner.
Hi Vivienne, the print would be great if you can provide that for me, I have been digging around and still cannot clarify things any further. As said I have all the childrens names but am not sure when mothers maiden names started appearing in the indexes.
Sorry but I only found out it was Bathwick while you were down the RO else I would have said sooner.
Bathwick wouldn't have helped initially Andy, it was the info that Elaine found on that Bath website, the actual church. There are so many churches that come under Bath.
Mothers maiden names only started to appear in the index 2nd or 3rd qtr 1911.
I'll take a look see if there is anything else that pops up if I have time after I have found the info for Jood.
Many thanks in advance for anything you can give me, it is greatly appreciated. I have several of these types of queries across the outer reaches of my maternal tree in part caused by a researcher who provided some info for a family member which I am now confirming, and partly because I am currently only able to use free records. Most of the loose ends are in London and Suffolk, this is the only one in Somerset.
Once again thanks for your help. :clap:
Sherbertrose
20-10-09, 11:00
Hi Vivienne,
I am revisiting my Mitchell/Pike ancestors. Was that a groan I heard!!
At some point you found the marriage for John Mitchell and Ann Pike in East Pennard (1 Mar 1813). One of the witnesses was James Pike.
I have looked to see if I could find any Pike baptisms with James as the father which I can’t therefore I am thinking that James may be Ann’s brother.
You were not able to find any baptisms for Ann in East Pennard or the surrounding area therefore it would seem that Ann was baptised somewhere else.
The question is where?
I have looked on freereg and there is a baptism for Ann Pike 23 June 1793 Midsomer Norton parents Israel and Sarah. There is also a baptism for James Pike 7 Jan 1791 same parents. This would fit my theory that James and Ann were brother and sister. And, John and Ann Mitchell were living in Kilmersdon in 1841 (census return).
The problem is proving this theory. Would it be possible to see if there is a death record for Israel Pike in East Pennard or surrounding area? I hoping that family moved to this area after the children was born and this is why Ann Pike gives East Pennard as her Parish on the marriage register. If on the other hand Israel died in Midsomer Norton then it is back to the drawing board.
I can not find a marriage for Israel and Sarah but I think it is likely that it was before 1785 as there was another child Mary born 1785. There is also a possibility that Israel came from outside the County as there seem to be some Israel Pikes in Devon.
Many thanks in anticipation,
Update - Looks like Israel died in Midsomer Norton (source freerg)so it's back to the drawing board!!
Sandra
Arggghhh, I've just spotted something I should have noted before I started searching.
I have your printout Andy, just need you to pm me your address so I can send it. Emma married as White a widow & her father is given as Charles, something that could be white but is not clear & underneath that is Adams. I searched unsuccessfully for an Emma with father Charles Adams.
I have just spotted on the printout the lovely Andy gave me & Emma White has only a mother listed, I wonder if that is a clue, I'll do a little more digging next week.
Sorry Jood, I'm a very slow typist & I have just sat here for about 45 mins giving you all the info I found, pressed post reply & it vanished into the ether.:madd:
I can't do it all again now, I'll be back later.
I will just say that I couldn't find your Richard or any Richard Puddy in 1767 or '66 or '68
I'll be going next week now Sandra, have printed your post so am good to go, possibly Tuesday.
Sherbertrose
21-10-09, 15:36
Hi Vivienne,
Thank you for offering but if you look at my update you will see that Israel died in Midsomer
Norton - so as I said back to the drawing board!!
Sandra
You've lost me Sandra, just because Israel died in Midsomer it doesn't mean that Ann hadn't moved to East Pennard. Of this parish just means it is where the people are living not where they are born.
I see it was with parental consent, that maybe points to Dad not being there.
It sounds very much to me that you have found the right family.
I wonder if they took the children back to where her Parents lived for Baptism, I'll give it a go.
Sorry Jood, I'm a very slow typist & I have just sat here for about 45 mins giving you all the info I found, pressed post reply & it vanished into the ether.
I can't do it all again now, I'll be back later.
I will just say that I couldn't find your Richard or any Richard Puddy in 1767 or '66 or '68
Thanks for trying Vivienne - it's really strange, as I was given that information about 20 years ago from someone who had travelled over there. I have seen lists of hundreds of Puddy's in Somerset. It's just that another person showed me their tree and it differed from mine.
I really do appreciate your efforts Vivienne
Sherbertrose
21-10-09, 21:11
Hi Vivienne,
That very kind of you. However, I have found another set of parents who could be Ann's parents, who also have a son named James. Ann Pyke baptised 11 May 1799, James Pike baptised 1791, Pilton. Parents - Reuben James Pike and Betty Abbot. How we decide which set of parents is correct I really do not know. Pilton is, I think, closer to East Pennard - but doe this mean anything?
Emma married as White a widow & her father is given as Charles, something that could be white but is not clear & underneath that is Adams. I searched unsuccessfully for an Emma with father Charles Adams.
I have just spotted on the printout the lovely Andy gave me & Emma White has only a mother listed, I wonder if that is a clue, I'll do a little more digging next week.
Hi Vivienne, I have done some digging tonight and come up with the following:
1851 Census
Emma Adams born 1840 Swainswick, Walcot, Bath
Father Charles Adams born abt 1799 Bathcastan, Somerset living at 6 Blackend Cottage There are other family members also listed.
1857 Apr quarter Marriage index Vol 5c page 1220
Emma Adams marriage to Thomas White
1861 Census
Emma White born abt 1838 Bathwick Bath Daughter of Honoria White born abt 1806 Prestwich Gloucestershire
Like you I can't find Emma born in Bathwick with father Charles. Don't know if this is a help or hindrance!! I will PM you with my addy.
Once again many thanks, Andy.
Arggghhh, I've just spotted something I should have noted before I started searching.
I have your printout Andy, just need you to pm me your address so I can send it. Emma married as White a widow & her father is given as Charles, something that could be white but is not clear & underneath that is Adams. I searched unsuccessfully for an Emma with father Charles Adams.
I have just spotted on the printout the lovely Andy gave me & Emma White has only a mother listed, I wonder if that is a clue, I'll do a little more digging next week.
Hi Vivienne,
Did anything more come up around Emma and her father? Just wondered so I can put this particular twig on my tree to rest.
Andy,:emb: I'm so sorry I didn't have a good week last week & never made it to the RO. :emb:
I'm not making any promises as I'm not sure from day to day how I'm going to be but I will get back at some tme & I hope in the not too distant future.
Hey Vivienne, it's no problem at all, as, when, and if is fine. I am very grateful for what you have already found for me.:clap:
I hope that you are feeling better again soon.
All the best:smilee:
I had a note in folder that said "A John Westlake, 2 Irving House Park Row, Bristol, Avon England is interested in the Westlake family. (Sept 1984)"
Would anyone know if this person is still around?
I have found a possible lead to my great grandmother in the 1901 census I am 99% sure its her as she doesn't appear with her family or on a Gloucestershire census for the year.
According to the 1901 census she was a patient at the Royal West of England Santatorium in Weston-super-Mare. Is there any hospital records for this hospital held at the Somerset office? Or where could I find out anything about the hospital and more importantly what she was admitted there for and for how long.
Believe this too be the only link my family has to Somerset that I have currently come across. Any help would be greatly appriciated.
Hello Brian, welcome to FTF.
I can't find anything online to say if Somerset RO has any records from the Sanatorium so I'll give them a call when they open tomorrow afternoon.
Hello Brian, I forgot to call yesterday but I've just had a chat & they don't have any records for that time.
The young lady suggested that you could write to 'The North Somerset Primary Care Trust' & ask if they have any records but she doesn't hold out much hope.
As they have some records from the 1960s she thinks maybe earlier records may not have survived.
Brian, a couple of my Gloucestershire ancestors were patients at the Sanatorium, too. I managed to find some background information on it through the Gale Newspapers site. I can let you have what I found if you pm me with your email address.
Vivienne, hope you don't mind me posting this on your thread.
scuda
No problem Scuda, we're here to help one another.:Wink:
Vivienne thank you for trying was a long shot that anything might have survived
scuda - I have PMd you my details
harryhayes
21-12-09, 11:02
Vivienne,
Think you have kindly helped me before. Still trying to trace my william. born to william and mary hayes cheltenham, December 23rd 1803
Turned up a William Hayes/ Mary Newman marriage, Meare, Somerset, 9.11.1803. Anything at all on that?. Possibly shot-gun?
IF it easy for you, anything else which might be connected to the above and
might disprove my theory, would be appreciated.
Meare doesn,t appear to be on the Hugh Wallis
Many thanks to your good-self. Happy days
Hi Vivienne, have you had a chance to do any further digging for me on my distant twigs? Have been away from this for a few weeks, sorting out work and boring stuff like that!
Hope you had a good Chistmas.
All the best,
Andy
Trish@Somerset
18-01-10, 10:26
Just come across this site again, it has a lot more information on it now
West Somerset Parish Registers
http://wsom.org.uk/Parreg.html
Trish which part of Somerset is Bridgwater, Mark and Puriton ? Obviously not WEST Somerset :(
Jen~Ealogy
10-06-10, 00:40
Hi Vivienne,
Any chance of you looking up the following for me please?
I have a Thomas Hares (Ayres/Hare) Born about 1797 in Shipham Somerset, who married Hannah ??? born about 1795 also from Shipham.
Source 1841 census.
On their daughter's marriage cert the name appears to be spelt as Haers.
I'm not certain but think Shipham may come under Axminster. I seem to recall seeing it somewhere many moon ago.
Would be great if I could discover Hannah's maiden name and when and where they married but I won't be holding my breath. These 2 are very elusive, with only the one sighting of them in 1841.
shirleymay
29-09-10, 15:56
Hi Vivienne,
Would you be able to get a copy of Parish record for me? It's for Jane (Thomas) Martin, daur of Henry & Eleanor Martin, bapt. Oct 2 1801. St.Johns Yeovil.
Will cover expences.
Thank you
Shirley
I have a fiche reader booked for the day next Wednesday & I don't think I have a days look-ups to do, so give me a shout if you have any.;)
OK Folks, if anyone has anything for me to do I'll book a day next week.
Last call for any requests, I am going tomorrow & have very little to do.
Vivienne If the offer is still open I would love to tie up some loose ends for this weeks geneologists forum challenge. I wonder if you could check if their is a marriage about 1818 in Martock for William Colborn and a Rachel. I would also like to find any baptisms for the couple in Priston. There should be Sophia in 1821 and Job about 1823 but there may be others. Thank you very much. The Colborn family were blacksmiths so any other Colborns from Priston welcome. I already have the burials.
Will do Anne.
Trying to organise a Taunton Meet end of Mar beginning of Apr, if you are interested could you add your name on the Events thread.
Hi Vivienne
I'm new to this forum but would appreciate some help from Taunton (Ithink that is where the required records are).
Sarah Beck 3 illig. children by three different fathers. All have been identified. Resident in Coombe St Nicholas. Children bn. Thomas 1805, Samuel 1810, Elizabeth 1813. Problem: need to find Sarah's bap to identify her parents, but have no idea of when she was born, or where. Any help much appreciated. Greta.
Hi Greta, Welcome to the Forum.
I'll do my best & hopefully will report back this evening with lots of info for you!;D
Hi Anne, I can't find this couple for you I'm afraid. Between 1813 & 1825 in Martock there are no Colborn marriages.
Between 1813 & 1836 in Priston there are no Colborn marriages.
I checked the Somerset & Nth Somerset Marriage indices & found these.
1803 at Bath St James, William Colborne = Ann Cottle
1808 at Bath St James, Cornelius Colborn = Maria Lye.
1828 at Bath Abbey, Benjamin Colburn = Elizabeth Walker
1832 at Bath St James, Thomas Colborn = Ann Lewis
1835 at Walcot, Thomas Colbourne = Charlotte Hood
At Bath St James , 12 Sep 1817 there is a registration of a Joseph Coborn to Rachel Lye but the signature looks like Colborn to me.
I can't make out the witnesses names.
I have Colborn(e) baptisms in Priston from 1814 to 1902, do you want them all?
Hi Vivienne
I'm new to this forum but would appreciate some help from Taunton (Ithink that is where the required records are).
Sarah Beck 3 illig. children by three different fathers. All have been identified. Resident in Coombe St Nicholas. Children bn. Thomas 1805, Samuel 1810, Elizabeth 1813. Problem: need to find Sarah's bap to identify her parents, but have no idea of when she was born, or where. Any help much appreciated. Greta.
Hi Greta, I thought the best thing to do was start with the childrens baptisms. I was starting to wonder where your info came from as Thomas is not baptised in 1805 or Samuel in 1810, when I found them baptised together, 14th July 1811 ( baseborn sons) of Sarah Beck.
1813 Dec 19th, Elizabeth d (illegitimate) of Robert Street & Sarah Beck of Frog lane, Combe St Nicholas, carpenter & servant.
I tried to search for Sarahs baptism in Combe but the records seem to have been missed off the fiche. I ran out of time this week but next week I'll ask for the original register & try again.
Thanks very much for your hard work Vivienne. I can't sort out the Colbornes. Sophia my ancestor gives Priston as her birth place and as her father Joseph is a Smith I assume he is related to the Colborn family who owned the Blacksmith shop there. I have some baptisms to Rachel and Joseph in Englishcombe but not Sophia and Job who both give Priston as their birth place. I was hoping the parish records would be some help. I would be interested in baptisms until about 1850 to see if any thing rings a bell.
The marriage you found looks good. I am used to all sorts of spellings. Cornelius is burried in Priston. I now need to find a Rachel Lye baptism in Martock about 1789 aged 50 in 1841 census.
I am really sorry to send you on a wild goose chase William was Sophia's brother not her father.
Thank you for your efforts today Vivienne.
Sorry I didn't make myself clear, I was quoting birth dates not baps. (Would you believe that the first two fathers were, a Butcher and a Baker, she mustn't have been able to find a candlestick maker so settled for a carpenter for the third one instead) !!!!
You may receive this reply in duplicate as my P.C. is playing silly whatsits, and keeps throwing me off. One last try. thank you again and fingers crossed for next week. Greta
Thanks very much for your hard work Vivienne. I can't sort out the Colbornes. Sophia my ancestor gives Priston as her birth place and as her father Joseph is a Smith I assume he is related to the Colborn family who owned the Blacksmith shop there. I have some baptisms to Rachel and Joseph in Englishcombe but not Sophia and Job who both give Priston as their birth place. I was hoping the parish records would be some help. I would be interested in baptisms until about 1850 to see if any thing rings a bell.
The marriage you found looks good. I am used to all sorts of spellings. Cornelius is burried in Priston. I now need to find a Rachel Lye baptism in Martock about 1789 aged 50 in 1841 census.
A couple of mix ups here I think Anne, (1) you asked me to look for a marriage of a William & Rachel & (2) dates for Sarah & Job
I do have baptisms for Sarah & Job to Joseph & Rachel but later as a job lot! ;D
I will just list all that I have found from 1814 to 1854 & leave you to sort them out!
1814 Jun 19th Elizabeth d of Cornelius & Maria Colborn of Priston/smith
1814 Jun 26th Elizabeth d of Job & Mary Colborn of Priston/smith
1830 Apr 18th Sophia d of Joseph & Rachel Colborn of Priston/smith
1830 Apr 18th Job s of Joseph & Rachel Colborn of Priston/ smith
1830 Apr 18th Elizabeth d of Joseph & Rachel Colborn of Priston/smith
1836 Aug 21 Sarah Ann d of Thomas & Ann Colborn of Priston/blacksmith
1838 Dec 2nd George s of Thomas & Ann Colborn of Priston/blacksmith
1841 May 23rd Edwin s of Thomas & Ann Colborn of Priston/blacksmith
1845 Dec 28th Ellen d of Thomas & Ann Colborn of Priston/blacksmith
1845 Dec 28th Anne d of Thomas & Ann Colborn of Priston/blacksmith
1854 Mar 26th Fanny d of Thomas & Ann Colborn of Priston/ blacksmith
The other baptisms from 1861 to 1902 are to John & Emma Colborn, George & Charlotte Colborne & an illegitimate child to Emma Jane Colborn who I assume is the Emma born to John & Emma in 1862.
Just shout if you want me to give you them all.;D
Thanks Vivienne. I should have put Baptisms to Rachael and Joseph not for them. Thanks for finding Sophia's baptism. I wonder why the children were baptised as a job lot. The other children were baptised individually in Englishcombe.
Hi Greta, I may have found your Sarah, that's if she was baptised in Combe & a possible marriage for her parents in Chard.
Beck is not the most common of names in Combe or Chard so I have some other references for you as well, I'll start with Sarah.
1773 July 4th, Sarah d of James & Betty Beck was baptised in Combe St Nicholas.
1773 May 13th, James Beck of Combe St Nicholas & Betty Baker otp were married in Chard by licence. Wits Samuel Hancock & William Chapman.
These others may or may not belong to you but I'll give them as I found them & you can file them for future use.
From Combe St Nicholas original register;
1744 Jan 15th, Samuel s of Richard Beck was Buried
1781 Jun 24th, Susannah w of James Beck was Buried
1787 Oct 28th, James Beck was Buried
1743 Oct 3rd, Samuel s of Richard Beck was Baptised
1745 Apr 28th, Sarah d of Richard & Sarah Beck was Baptised
1747 Jul 17th, Betty d of James & Susannah Beck was Baptised
1760 May 18th, Maria d of Thomas & Betty Beck was Baptised
1697 Feb 27th,James Beck & Elizabeth Monday were Married
1729 May 28th, Richard Beck, labourer, & Sarah Manning, both otp were Married by banns
1746 Apr 13th, James Beck & Susannah Ashen, both otp were Married by banns.
from Combe fiche;
1763 Oct 5th, Thomas Beck & Elizabeth Loveridge, both otp were Married after banns in Combe St Nicholas
from Chard fiche;
1765 Nov 2nd, Thomas Beck & Sarah Fone, both otp were Married after banns at Chard. Wits Samuel Loveridge & John Elliott
1733 15 Aug, Dianna d of Samuel & Christian Beck was Baptised
1743 Jul 3, James s of Sam & Christian Beck was Baptised
1746 Jul 6th, Benjamin s of Sam & Christian Beck was Baptised
1773 Dec 25th, Susannah d of Thomas & Betty Beck was Baptised
1774 Feb 16, Richard s of Sarah Beck was Baptised
1806 Jul 27, Ann d of Richard & Betty Beck was Baptised
1808 Jun 5th, Thomas s of Richard & Betty Beck was Baptised
1811 Apr 14th, William s of Richard & Betty Beck was Baptised
I hope that is of help to you & if you need anything else just shout.
brentor boy
04-02-11, 09:12
Hi Vivienne,
Not sure if/when you will be in the R O again but would appreciate it if you could clarify something for me, please.
Family Search has marriage of George Westlake and Joan Combs at Donyatt shown as both 14 July and 5 Aug 1782. Suspect first may be Banns but perhaps you can confirm.
Also, any chance you might be able to identify George and Joan? I appreciate that neither are particularly distinctive names. I have seen an unsourced suggestion that George was born c 1759 and Joan c 1755 - presumably Donyatt. Have also seen speculation that Joan also known as Ann. All rather "iffy".
Vic
Hi Vic, I'll go to the RO next Wednesday all being well & I'll see what I can find for you.
Sunny Rosy
06-02-11, 15:48
Hi Viv would it be possible to verify a couple (or three LOL) of things for me please: ? Note that Walter is BEALE but his ancestors are BALE. No hurry.
1st generation: .Walter BEALE 1877 -1916 Registration Williton ,
2nd Robert BEALE 1840 born Nettlecombe both Bale and Beale on census
Mary Godfrey 1840
3rd John BALE 1793 St Decumens Somerset
Married Mary Fort or Pippin 1863 Williton
John died between 1861-1871 after which Mary was with her son Robert and family on the census
Thanks Sunny
Many thanks vivienne. This list will keep me busy for some time sorting them into families. I have noted the Sarah bap but I can't help wondering if maybe this would have made her rather old. i.e a bap. for her in 1773 would have made her about 32 years of age when her first illig. child was born, then 37 and 40 respectively with the other two. I would have expected her to have been born around c1780 - 90 ? maybe she wasn't born in C.S.N. However I will keep this Sarah in mind and see where it leads.
thank you once again. Greta
I did think that myself Greta but as Beck is not a common name in the area & I couldn't find another Sarah that is the best I could do.
I'll see how it goes on Wednesday, only a couple of lookups to do atm so if I have time & energy I'll look around the surounding area.
Hi Viv
Sorry it’s a bit last minute. Life has been a bit mad the last few weeks.
Following on from Anne’s request, could you please see if you can find any of the following.
Job Colborn (1830 Priston) married Elizabeth House in 1862 in Ashwick and I have the following children.
Henry House Colborn c1863 Ashwick (from 1871 census)
Mary Jane Colborn c1864 Ston Easton (from 1871 census)
Emily Ellen Colborn baptised 6 Jan 1867 at Ston Easton
William Job Colborn baptised 3 Apr 1870 at Ston Easton
Baptisms for Henry and Mary (Ashwick or Ston Easton)
Job died and was buried in 1869 in Ston Easton – Elizabeth is still a widow in 1911 census
Henry is still single and living with his mother in 1911
Mary Jane my Gt grandmother married John Hawkins and had 9 children between 1890 and 1910 but I have no baptisms for them, census shows all born in Binegar
Baptisms for any of their children
John died 1936 and Mary 1939 and buried in Binegar but I don’t know the dates
William Job Colborn married Ada Annie Rogers and were also having children in Binegar from 1895 on but I don’t know how many. Any baptisms
Thanks Viv
Hi Viv
Would it be possible to do a look up for the Holland family, in the parish registers of Yeovilton circa 1750-1850?
Regards
Richard
Hi Vivienne,
Not sure if/when you will be in the R O again but would appreciate it if you could clarify something for me, please.
Family Search has marriage of George Westlake and Joan Combs at Donyatt shown as both 14 July and 5 Aug 1782. Suspect first may be Banns but perhaps you can confirm.
Also, any chance you might be able to identify George and Joan? I appreciate that neither are particularly distinctive names. I have seen an unsourced suggestion that George was born c 1759 and Joan c 1755 - presumably Donyatt. Have also seen speculation that Joan also known as Ann. All rather "iffy".
Vic
Hello Vic, yes you are right about the Banns;
Banns read 30 Jun/7 Jul/14Jul 1782,
Marriage 5 Aug 1782
He batchelor, she Spinster, age not stated
He signed (/), she didn't (x)& both were Of This Parish
Witnesses were; Joseph Cleale (/) Ann Bishop (x)
I couldn't find a family for George, no Westlake in Donyatt & I thought I had found a family for Joan when I found another marriage but it all went haywire when I started getting baptisms & couldn't find a Joan.
I'll give you what I found & you can make what you can of them.
1756 Jan 15, James Combs (x) no age, no condition, OTP=
Martha Hawkins (x)no age,no condition,OTP
Wits; Sam'l Marks, (/) Wm Wheadon (/)
Baptisms, DONYATT;
1756 May 16, Susanna, d of James & Martha Combs of Donyatt
1756 Jun 19, Susanna, d of Hugh & Sarah Combs
1757 Jan 23, Samuel, s of Guy & Sarah Combs
1758 Jan 1, Honour, 2nd base child of Mary Combs
1758 May 7, Betty, d of William & Mary Combs
1758 Dec 31, John, s of James & Martha Combs
1761 Jan 23, Mary, d of James & Martha Combs
1765 Nov 10, Henry, s of James & Martha Combs age about 3 yrs.
This name was not very clear but Henry was the best guess that one of the staff & I could make.
1765 Nov 10, William, s of James & Martha Combs
1769 Dec 25, Ann, d of Samuel & Mary Combs
I also searched Ilminster 1750--1762 for Baptisms without any luck
If you have anything else you want me to look up I'm booked in for next Wednesday.
Hi Viv would it be possible to verify a couple (or three LOL) of things for me please: ? Note that Walter is BEALE but his ancestors are BALE. No hurry.
1st generation: .Walter BEALE 1877 -1916 Registration Williton ,
2nd Robert BEALE 1840 born Nettlecombe both Bale and Beale on census
Mary Godfrey 1840
3rd John BALE 1793 St Decumens Somerset
Married Mary Fort or Pippin 1863 Williton
John died between 1861-1871 after which Mary was with her son Robert and family on the census
Thanks Sunny
Oh dear Sunny, I should have asked you to clarify just what it is you want me to verify ref your last paragraph. I got confused so if you can put it into simple words for a bear of very little brain I'll try again next week.
I didn't find Walter or any other BEALE/BALE in Williton bapts.
I found baptised @ Nettlecombe;
1877 Jul 22, Walter BEALE, s of Robert & Mary BEALE of Baden Cottage, labourer
1839 Sept 1, Robert BAYLE s of John & Mary BAYLE of Bardon Cottage, labourer
I also found all addressed in the early days Bardon Cottage/s except the first which just says OTP & the last 2 including Walter as Baden Cottage.
1827 Aug 5, Elizabeth, d of John & Mary BALE
1833 Mar 31, James, s of John & Mary BALE
1848 Apr 2, Henry, s of Ann BALE, single woman
1866 Mar 11, Ann, d of Robert & Mary BEALE
1868 Sept 13, Alice, d of Robert & Mary BEALE
1870 Feb 20, John Henry, s of Robert & Mary BEALE
1873 Feb 2, James, s of ----------"-------"
1874 Aug 30, Sarah, d of----------"-------"
1880 Jul 18, Benjamin, s of --------"-------"
Hope they help
Hi Viv
Sorry it’s a bit last minute. Life has been a bit mad the last few weeks.
Following on from Anne’s request, could you please see if you can find any of the following.
Job Colborn (1830 Priston) married Elizabeth House in 1862 in Ashwick and I have the following children.
Henry House Colborn c1863 Ashwick (from 1871 census)
Mary Jane Colborn c1864 Ston Easton (from 1871 census)
Emily Ellen Colborn baptised 6 Jan 1867 at Ston Easton
William Job Colborn baptised 3 Apr 1870 at Ston Easton
Baptisms for Henry and Mary (Ashwick or Ston Easton)
Job died and was buried in 1869 in Ston Easton – Elizabeth is still a widow in 1911 census
Henry is still single and living with his mother in 1911
Mary Jane my Gt grandmother married John Hawkins and had 9 children between 1890 and 1910 but I have no baptisms for them, census shows all born in Binegar
Baptisms for any of their children Records still at church
John died 1936 and Mary 1939 and buried in Binegar but I don’t know the dates Records still at church
William Job Colborn married Ada Annie Rogers and were also having children in Binegar from 1895 on but I don’t know how many. Any baptisms Records still at church
Thanks Viv
Not a lot of help I'm afraid Malc, I can confirm the baptisms of Emily Ellen & William Job at Ston Easton & that is about it.
I searched Ashwick (fiche 2/1/8 1852--1982) from 1860--1870 & Ston Easton (fiche 2/1/1 1813--1889)from 1860--1879 but could not find either Henry or Mary
I also tried Binegar, Paulton & Midsomer Norton but no sign of them, sorry. I noticed in Paulton that there were quite a few 'House' baptisms if that is of any interest to you.
I'm booked in next Wednesday
Hi Viv
Would it be possible to do a look up for the Holland family, in the parish registers of Yeovilton circa 1750-1850?
Regards
Richard
Hi Richard, I'm going again next Wednesday so if you could let me know just what you are after,Baptisms, Marriages or Burials or is it just any Hollands in that 100 yrs?:p
I just looked at your file & I see we drew a blank with the last lookup I did for you, the Browns being Non Comformist & I couldn't find them. :o
Are we looking at Non Com records again or is it PRs?
Sunny Rosy
10-02-11, 20:28
LOL Viv I am not surprised that you were confused I was myself!!!
Walter Beale you found was correct, he married Mary Godfrey.
Robert Beale /Bale/Bayle was his father, also correct, he married in 1863 Williton reg:district March quarter page 5c 527, to Mary Fort or Pippin. Could you clarify which please?
John Bale 1793 St Decumens married Mary born 1797 Old Cleeve, can you find a surname for Mary please, marriage c 1836/9? I'll just go and look for more details for Roberts marriage and then add.
sunny XX
Sunny why are you looking as late as 1836 for the marriage of John & Mary?
In 1841/51 son James born 1833 is with them & I found a baptism for Elizabeth in 1827.
Unless there is a reason why not, I'll look from 1820 on.
brentor boy
11-02-11, 00:03
Hi Vivienne,
Many thanks for sorting out the George Westlake/Joan Combs marriage. I am sorry your attempt to find out more about their families came to naught but I have noted what you did discover in case it may fall into place at some future time.
If you have time next week I have a further little challenge for you:-
From census records Francis(Frank) Wilton was b c 1817/8 in Street. He was shown as 21 when he married in 1839 and his father was named as James Wilton, labourer. The only Wilton family I can find in Street in 1841 is James(65), Sarah(60- b c 1778 in 1851) and John (25). Anything that you can find about Francis, his siblings or parents would be greatly appreciated.
There are a couple more but I have such little detail that it might be insufficient for you to work on:-
Mary Ann Hill (b c 1798/1800 - Somerton?) When she married Charles Culliford in 1820 it was with the consent of her trustee, John Perry
Elizabeth Fisher (b c 1813 - Somerton?) She married Charles Lampert in 1820.
I have all relevant details concerning the grooms, it is the ladies I am interested in. I do not expect you to spend too much time on these, but will welcome anything you might turn up.
Regards,
Vic
Hi Richard, I'm going again next Wednesday so if you could let me know just what you are after,Baptisms, Marriages or Burials or is it just any Hollands in that 100 yrs?:p
I just looked at your file & I see we drew a blank with the last lookup I did for you, the Browns being Non Comformist & I couldn't find them. :o
Are we looking at Non Com records again or is it PRs?
Hello Viv
The furthest back I have is Elizabeth Holland born circa 1802 in Yeovilton, who married John Jones in 1827. Their children were baptised in the independent dissenters chapel, but they were married in the Church of England St Johns Yeovil. There is a Robert Holland and Phebe Brooks, married on 09 Oct 1797 at Yeovilton, so I'm thinking she may be their child, a baptism for her or any siblings would be great, and the details of the marriage if that is her parents. How far they go back in the parish, if at all, I do not know.
Regards
Richard
Thanks for looking Viv :)
Sunny Rosy
11-02-11, 13:28
Hi Viv , it's a good thing that you know how dopey I am. Yes 1820 would be a better start for a marriage for John and Mary thankyou.
love sunny x
Last calls for tomorrow folks, anyone want to clarify or add anything.
Sunny Rosy
15-02-11, 23:54
Hi Viv just to clarify:
Robert Beale/Bale married March qtr 1863 was she Mary FORT of Pippin?
John Bale and Mary married around 1820 her surname please. Nettlecombe Somerset.
thanks Viv xxxxx
sunny
My utmost appologies,
I don't know how I did it but I managed to leave your printouts on the table here at home. I couldn't believe it & I went through my folder 3 times before I had to accept that they weren't with me.
I have already put them in the folder now for next week.
Once again Richard & Vic, I'm so sorry.
No problem Viv, I'm always doing things like that myself!
brentor boy
16-02-11, 23:14
Please don't trouble yourself, Viv. I'm only too grateful for the generous offer of your time. Without it I would almost certainly be stumped.
Vic
Gosh Sunny, I'm not meant to give you the results, I've been shut out for about 40mins. I knew I was too tired last night, I should have said that Robert married Mary Fort! lol
John got a little more complicated as I found 2 Johns in St Decumans!
Here goes;
1824 Apr 29, John Bale x B = Mary Ridler x S both OTP of Nettlecombe. Wits; Sarah George, ? Williams, Rich Williams, Robert Mop
These are all Bale Marriages in St Decumans, didn't find anymore in Nettlecomb;
1824 Oct 28, William Bale x = Elizabeth Didderage x both OTP, Wits; John Strong, George Sully
1826 Feb 7, Robert Bale / = Mary Ann Mac.donal x both OTP, Wits; James Lu*comb, George Sully
1827 Nov 5, John Bale x OTP = Susanna Brey x Sojourner, Wts; James Larcomb, William Penny, George Sully
1832 Aug 21, John Bale x = Sarah Vincent / both OTP, Wits; George Sully, William Bale
1834 May 26, Henry Bale x = Ann Thomas x both OTP, Wits; William Bale, Ann Chapple
1863 Jan 5, Robert Bale / F, B, Labourer, Stream, f John Bale/labourer = Mary Fort / F,S, St Decumans, Five Bells, f John Fort/labourer, Wits; Robert Dove, Sarah Ann Prole
This above is the one that would photocopy well.
1869 Dec 25, George Bale x F,B, Labourer of Doniford, f Henry Bale/labourer = Eliza Knight x F,S of Doniford, f Charles Knight/labourer, Wits; Tom Bryant, Sarah Bale
1871 dec 25, Thomas Bryant / F,B, Labourer of Doniford, f John Bryant/labourer = Sarah Ann Bale / F,S of Doniford, f Henry Bale/labourer, Wits; Henry Bale, Mary Jane Bale
Baptisms St Decumans 1813-1861;
1813 May 9, Henry, sof John & Sarah Bale of Williton, labourer
1825 Jul 3, George, sof William & Elizabeth Bale of Doniford,labourer
1827 Feb 25, Mary Anne b 1826 Jul 27, dof Robert & Marianne Bale of Watchet, sailor
1829 Mar 15, Thomas, sof Robert & Maryann Bale of Bridport, sailor
1837 Oct 29, William, sof Henry & Ann Bale of Doniford,labourer
1841 Jun 25, George, sof Henry & Ann Bale of Doniford, "
1845 Jan 5, Sarah Ann, dof Henry & Ann Bale of Doniford, "
1851 Oct 30, Mary Jane, dof Henry & Ann Bale of Doniford, "
1858 Dec 19, Robert (Strong?), sof Thomas & Jane Macdonald Bale of Watchet, sailor
1860 Feb 26, Richard, sof John & Mary Bale of Doniford, labourer
I looked at the earlier baptisms but they are not clear & I couldn't find John, just these 2;
1790 Dec 19, Elizabeth, dof John & Mary Bale
1802 Mar 13, William, sof John & Sarah Bale, margin note, born 1800 Mar 18
Burials, all St Decumans
1824 Jun 22, Mary Ann Bale, age 29 of Watchet
1830 Nov 21, John Bale, age 83 of Watchet
1840 Jun 14, Elizabeth Bale, ? of Doniford
1843 Nov 19, Mary Bale, age 89 of Watchet
1850 May 12, Sarah Bale, age 83 of Doniford
1858 Oct 10, Sarah Bale, age 49 of Doniford
1860 Aug 12, John Bale, age 88 of Doniford
1871 Sep 7, William Bale, age 72 of Doniford
1876 May 14, John Beale, age 68 of Doniford
1881 Feb 13, Jane Bale, age 43 of Watchet
Phew, wish I was a better typist! :D
Sunny Rosy
17-02-11, 13:47
Good Lord. You have been busy Viv. I shall take a little while sorting that lot out too. Thanks very much. You are a star.
sunny
Hi Viv,
Long time no speak! Hope you are still keeping well. I see you are still working hard at the RO. I wonder if you could put a small look up on your list - it is not so much an Arnold problem this time - more of a FRANCIS/BIGGIN/ON/EN one.
We had Andrew ARNOLD (b1809 Alford) who married a Maria FRANCIS (b1816 Castle Cary) on 5 Nov 1837. (Thank you for that)
I sent for the marriage certificate to see if I could ascertain parents of Maria FRANCIS - which was a bit of a surprise as the father was given as a Paul BIGGIN. I have hunted around and cannot seem to find any evidence of the actual birth of Maria FRANCIS, nor of the marriage of a Paul BIGGIN to a FRANCIS (which I had assumed would have been the mother's name). I
If Maria was born in 1816 in Castle Cary I would assume that any marriage may have been any time before her marriage in 1837 - assuming that perhaps Paul BIGGIN was not the natural father.
Personally if I could find the name of the mother of Maria it would a great help.
There's no hurry - I can see you have a lot on your plate at the moment, just in case you have a spare moment somewhen in the future.
Regards, Marion
You'r welcome Sunny.
Hi Marion, next Wednesday I'll see what I can find out. If her father is given on her Marriage cert as Paul Biggin would you not think she may have been married before to somebody Francis?
Marion, have you noticed that there are a couple of Biggin families a few houses along from Andrew & Maria in 1841/51?
Hi Viv,
I had considered the possibility of a previous marriage although the certificate did say that she was a minor and a Spinster, I checked to see if there were any marriages between 1832 (when she would have been 16) and 1837 (time of her marriage to Andrew) and could find nothing that would fit.
Not sure if I checked the 1841 census on the Biggin's but will have another look just in case.
Marion
Hi Vic, I've had a very interesting day but not sure I have found what any of you want to hear! ;)
First of all the only Frances Wilton born Street between 1813 & 1830 is just that, Frances Bee Wilton, daughter of James & Mary Wilton baptised Dec 27 1818.
I have her 6 siblings born between 1813 & 1823 if you want them.
Mary Ann Hill;
1797 Oct 2nd, James s of James & Mary Hill of Somerton, baptised
1802 Oct 6th, Mary Ann,d of James & Mary Hill of Somerton, baptised
1802 Oct 6th, Mary Hill was buried, I think that explains the Trustee.:(
1789 Oct 14th, James Hill, OTP Somerton = Mary Hartley OTP Somerton neither signed Wits; John Gibbons, John Lainpard, John Andrews. Banns were read July 26, Aug 2, Aug 9.
Hope that helps & doesn't confuse too much.
Yours is much clearer.;)
I can confirm the marriage of Robert Holland to Phebe Brooks both OTP, neither signed & the Wits were William Andrews & John Cearey(sp) not clear. Nothing more I'm afraid.
Earliest baptism I can find to this pair is Elizabeth, May 18 1800
1802 Oct 24, George s of Robert & Phoebe Holland.
1809 Sep 11, Eliza d of Robert & Phoebe Holland.
Might belong to you a burial 1812 Apr 12, Charles Holland
Hmmm, yours is the most intriguing Marion.
I don't think I can solve your mystery at all. For ages I couldn't find a Paul Biggins in Castle Cary but in 1822 & 1824 I found baptisms of children born to a Paul Biggin & Sarah, Labourer & Thatcher so he does exist.
Also in 1849 a marriage of Thomas Biggin with father Paul Biggin to Sarah Francis,age 19 father James Francis.
Castle Cary seems to be very tolerant of single mothers as the baptism records are littered with them with no disparaging remarks as I have found in other parishes. Marriage records are also littered with mainly female but some males with different fathers names.
I see Maria is Mariah in the register & just above her;
1837 Aug 27, William Hilliard age 20 b OTP, f William Hilliard = Lucy Francis age 22 s OTP, f Stephen Shepherd
An 1843 marriage James Francis names his father as George Andrews
These are the baptisms of single mothers with the surname Francis between 1813 & 1826 in Castle Cary.
1813 Nov 28, James, s of Ann Francis
1815 Jan 19, Maria, d of Mary Francis
1815 Jan 29, Joseph, s of Edith Francis
1816 Aug 7, Maria, d of Mary Francis
1817 Mar 5, Elias, s of Ann Francis
1819 Feb 10, Lucy, d of Ann Francis
1824 Feb 15, Elizabeth, d of Ann Francis
Hopefully you will be able to sort these out.:confused:
Yours is much clearer.;)
I can confirm the marriage of Robert Holland to Phebe Brooks both OTP, neither signed & the Wits were William Andrews & John Cearey(sp) not clear. Nothing more I'm afraid.
Earliest baptism I can find to this pair is Elizabeth, May 18 1800
1802 Oct 24, George s of Robert & Phoebe Holland.
1809 Sep 11, Eliza d of Robert & Phoebe Holland.
Might belong to you a burial 1812 Apr 12, Charles Holland
Thanks Viv, that is terrific. My Elizabeth is living next door to a George Holland, 40, and his family in Yeovil on the 1841 Census, who I suspected was a brother, so this seems to confirm that and her parentage.
Can I just clarify if this was all the 'Holland' entries in the register 1750-1845, or is it still worth me looking further in these for Robert the fathers burial and baptism at later date?
Thank you again
Richard
brentor boy
24-02-11, 07:59
Hi Viv,
Thanks again for your time and effort. Sorry for both of us that the results were so limited, but what's not there cannot be found!
Looks as if Francis Wilton is a bit of a mystery. I will have the details of the Wiltons you did find, please. It is just possible that they may be connected. It will at least give me something to work on and could lead me to Francis.
Finding record of Mary Ann Hill was an unexpected bonus. Mother buried and daughter baptised on the same day. Very poignant.
Your help is very much appreciated.
Vic
Thanks Viv, that is terrific. My Elizabeth is living next door to a George Holland, 40, and his family in Yeovil on the 1841 Census, who I suspected was a brother, so this seems to confirm that and her parentage.
Can I just clarify if this was all the 'Holland' entries in the register 1750-1845, or is it still worth me looking further in these for Robert the fathers burial and baptism at later date?
Thank you again
Richard
Hi Richard,
No there is still more to do & I am booked in next Wednesday. So far I have checked Yeovilton 2/1/1 which covers Baptism & Burial 1710--1812 from 1790 & Yeovilton 2/1/2 Marriages 1755--1805 just to confirm the Marriage.
If there are any specifics you want me to look for just say. With Eliza Baptised in 1809 there may possibly be further Baptisms on the next fiche. Maybe go back to 2/1/1 & look for the Baptisms of Robert & Phoebe.
Do Robert & Phoebe appear in the census or am I looking pre 1841 for burials?
Hi Vic,
Children of James & Mary Wilton Baptised Street fiche 2/1/3 covers 1813--1843.
1813 Dec 26th, John, sof, James & Mary Bee Wilton, Street, labourer
1817 Jun 1st, Charles Bee, sof James & Mary Bee Wilton, Street, labourer, margin note, dead Dec 1820
1817 Nov 2nd, Robert Bee, sof James & Mary Wilton, Street, labourer, margin note, private bapt. Oct 15 1809 by Rev P Parfitt.
1820 Apr 9th, Samuel Bee, sof, James & Mary Wilton, Street, labourer, margin note, died 26 Apr 1866
1822 May 19th, Charles Bee, sof, James & Mary Wilton, Street, labourer, margin note, died June 1854
1823 Sep 25th, Anne, dof, James & Mary Wilton, Street, labourer
A couple of Marriages, Street 2/1/12 1837--1900
1842 July 13th, John Wilton signed/ F, B, Labourer, Street, f James Wilton, labourer, = Mary Martha Lydford, /, F, S, f Henry Lydford, Gate Keeper, Wits; Arabella James Moon, Samuel Wilton
1847 Dec 29th, Samuel Bee Wilton,/ F,B, labourer, Street, f James Wilton, labourer = Jemima Allen,/ F,S, f John Allen, labourer, Wits; Charles Bee Wilton x & John Pelvin/
Back in Somerton there is another family of Hill that I started to note before I found Mary Ann & kept going after, just incase there was another M A, so as they are probably related somehow, here they are. Somerton 2/1/3 searched 1795--1812
1800 Jan 19, John, William & Martha Hill
1802 Mar 14, James, ---"-------"
1804 May 6, Mary, ----"--------"
1807 Mar 1, Martha,---"-------"
1809 Oct25, William,----"-------"
1810 Jan 20, Leah, -----"-------"
Somerton 2/1/4 1813--1843
1813 May 9, William,----"-------"--Somerton,Carpenter/Wheelwright
1815 May 21, Samuel,--"-------"------"------------------------"
I couldn't see any record for Elizabeth Fisher
Anything for next week, I'm booked in?
Hmmm, yours is the most intriguing Marion.
I don't think I can solve your mystery at all. For ages I couldn't find a Paul Biggins in Castle Cary but in 1822 & 1824 I found baptisms of children born to a Paul Biggin & Sarah, Labourer & Thatcher so he does exist.
Also in 1849 a marriage of Thomas Biggin with father Paul Biggin to Sarah Francis,age 19 father James Francis.
Castle Cary seems to be very tolerant of single mothers as the baptism records are littered with them with no disparaging remarks as I have found in other parishes. Marriage records are also littered with mainly female but some males with different fathers names.
I see Maria is Mariah in the register & just above her;
1837 Aug 27, William Hilliard age 20 b OTP, f William Hilliard = Lucy Francis age 22 s OTP, f Stephen Shepherd
An 1843 marriage James Francis names his father as George Andrews
These are the baptisms of single mothers with the surname Francis between 1813 & 1826 in Castle Cary.
1813 Nov 28, James, s of Ann Francis
1815 Jan 19, Maria, d of Mary Francis
1815 Jan 29, Joseph, s of Edith Francis
1816 Aug 7, Maria, d of Mary Francis
1817 Mar 5, Elias, s of Ann Francis
1819 Feb 10, Lucy, d of Ann Francis
1824 Feb 15, Elizabeth, d of Ann Francis
Hopefully you will be able to sort these out.:confused:
Thank you very much Viv - he does seem to be a very elusive little blighter! I shall go through those delightful single mothers and see if anything matches up. I found Mary giving birth to a Maria in 1815 and 1816 and couldn't decide whether there were two different Marys or perhaps one Mary with the first Maria dying!!
If Paul is married to a Sarah in 1822 where on earth does Maria (possibly with a mother named Mary) fit in!!
Sorry - just thinking aloud - I shall have a fiddle with this lot and see if anything makes sense.
Thanks for all of your trouble, you are a gem. ;D
Marion
Any questions Marion, I'm booked in next Wednesday.
Hi Richard,
No there is still more to do & I am booked in next Wednesday. So far I have checked Yeovilton 2/1/1 which covers Baptism & Burial 1710--1812 from 1790 & Yeovilton 2/1/2 Marriages 1755--1805 just to confirm the Marriage.
If there are any specifics you want me to look for just say. With Eliza Baptised in 1809 there may possibly be further Baptisms on the next fiche. Maybe go back to 2/1/1 & look for the Baptisms of Robert & Phoebe.
Do Robert & Phoebe appear in the census or am I looking pre 1841 for burials?
Hi Viv
Robert Holland had died by 1841, but Pheobe is on both the 1841 & 1851 census:
1841 Census: Yeovilton (House Next to the Rectory), Somerset
1. Pheobe Holland, 65, Widower, Somerset
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1851 Census: Raff, Yeovilton, Somerset
1. Pheobe Holland, Head, Widow, 76, Yeovilton, Somerset
2. Jane Bennet, Visitor, 17, Unmarried, Glover, Yeovilton, Somerset
I cannot seem to locate a Death Index entry for her, but looks as if she had died by 1861.
I found a post on the Brooks of Yeovilton here, by someone who appears to have a done a thorough search through the parish records for them:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/BROOKS/1998-06/0896928724
This mentioned a daughter baptised 1774 to a James and Jane Brook which would certainly fit date wise for her. Unfortunately the post was made all way back in 1998 and the email adress of the poster no longer appears valid. If you could check that baptism in case it is Pheobe that would be much appreciated.
Thanks again
Richard
brentor boy
25-02-11, 07:50
Thanks for the additional details, Viv.
I do have some other Somerset lines I have yet to work on so, if your offer still holds, I shall probably be back to you again some time in the future.
Best wishes,
Vic
No problem Richard, I'll see what I can find out.
You're welcome Vic. I keep everyone on file so just shout when you need me again.
Thanks Viv - will let you know if I've sorted anything out by then!
Hi
Thanks for your offer to help & i am in Poland & can't just nip & check.....So your offer is wonderful.
My 3x great grand mother's father is on the birth cert as unkonwn.......Is there any way of find his name on the parish records of her baptisim?
Sarah Ann Rogers born 28/10/1882 at Wiveliscombe,Somerset
Mother: Maria Jane Rogers born 1862 in Cardiff Glamorgan.
She came home to her parents: Frederick & Elizabeth Rogers to have Sarah.
Maria vannished after that,maybe to head back to Cardiff & if she married,then i don't know Sarah is also later found living in Cardiff with her Uncle.
Thanks,
Kaz.
Hi Kaz, Welcome to FTF,
I can't make any promises but some parish clerks make notes re unmarried mothers & fathers of their children so I can but try.
I'm not quite clear what you are telling me, when you say she (Maria Jane) came home to her parents, do you mean that her parents were in Wiveliscombe as that doesn't seem to gell with her being born in Cardiff?
I'll be back at the Heritage Centre next Wednesday.
Hi Vivienne,
Thanks for the welcome. Maria Jane's parents moved back to Wiveliscombe at some point after the death of Maria sister. Maria was already living & working in Cardiff when she was expecting Sarah Ann. I am also sure that Maria left her daughter Sarah with her parents until their deaths around 10 years later. Why Sarah didn't go to live with her own mother is a mystery but i have been told that Maria might not of been of sound mind as word has it that Maria used to stand in the streets of Cardiff spouting all sorts,but they of been a ruse to stop me finding them!
Hello Vivienne
If you can would you able to look at a parish record for me from the IGI please?
The marriage of an Alice Emily Williams to a William Henry Cox on the 15 July 1877 - Keynsham
Any help much appreciated with the details of the marriage, I can then send off for the certificate.
Ewen
I'll do my best Ewan.
If I'm not too shattered I report back on Wednesday eve but it might be Thursday.
Thank you very much, whenever is convenient to you.
Ewen
Thank you, whenever is convenient for you.
Ewan
First 2 burials Yeovilton fiche 2/1/7
1840 Feb 9, Robert Holland age 70 of Yeovilton
1855 Feb 22, Phoebe Holland, age 82 of Yeovil.
I checked the BMD & there is only one Robert in the Mar qtr 1840 & he was registered in Hull & there is no Phoebe in the Mar qtr 1855.
There is only one Phoebe Brook baptised in Yeovilton between 1759 & 1812 & her parents are not James & Jane.;)
1771 Jan ?, Elizabeth, dof Isaac & Mary Brook was baptised
1773 Oct 10, Mary, dof Isaac & Mary Brook----------"------
1775 May 9, Phoebe, dof Isaac & Mary Brook--------"------
1777 Apr 27 John, sof Isaac & Mary Brook-----------"------
1777 Apr 27 Mary, wife of Isaac Brook was buried
1782 Mar 24 Mary, dof Isaac & Mary Brook was baptised
1786 Dec 17, John, sof Isaac & Mary Brook ------"------
Marriages Yeovilton fiche 2/1/2 1755--1805
1771 Jun 25, Isaac Brook = Mary Lye
Wits Geo Baker, James Rogers
1779 Jul 28, Isaac Brook, widower = Mary Oram, widow both OTP
Wits George Baker, Mary Barker
I found an earlier child for Robert & Phoebe
1798 Apr 22, Frederick, sof Robert & phoebe Holland was baptised.
I have details of 2 other Brook/s families including your James & Jane if you would like them.
Viv, thank you so much, some really great info for me to work on there. I was never certain about Pheobes parantage just guessing on basis of that one 1998 web posting, so I'm sure that is her, Isaac and Mary's daughter. Strange neither her or Roberts death were registered, not sure what to make of that!
Would be interested in the info on the other Brooks, as it may help tie them all up at some point.
Regards
Richard
Hi Kaz, no clues to Sarah's father I'm afraid but maybe her Marriage certificate would have it. Maria Jane was home for the census in 1881 so she didn't just come home to Wiveliscombe to have Sarah
1883 Jan 19, Sarah Ann, dof Maria Jane Rogers a single woman of Croford in Wiveliscombe was baptised.
I searched the Wiveliscombe burial register for Fred, Elizabeth & Maria but found only 2 with the surname Rogers. I got quite excited when I first found them but then I realised that the ages didn't fit. I'll post them just incase they belong to you.
1897Jan 7, Hannah Rogers was buried. Fredericks mother is Hannah but the 1881 census says she is 91 & the corresponding BMD ref says this one is 73yrs. Still a possible but you would need to take a chance on the death cert to prove it.
1911 Jun 28, Jane Rogers of Cotford Asylum, Norton Fitzwarren, late of Wiveliscombe was buried age 75
I found Fred & Elizabeth in the 1861/71 census in Cardiff & 1881 in Wiveliscombe but in 1891 Freds wife is named as Mary Ann & 8yr old Sarah Ann is with them.
You may already have this but the next time I find Sarah Ann is in Cardiff, 1911 with her husband John Henry Gardner & 3 sons, Edward, Frederick & Thomas.
If you don't have it she married John Henry in Cardiff, 1904 Jun qtr 11a 517.
Found a possible marriage for Frederick Rogers to Elizabeth Hobbs in Cardiff 1856 Dec 11a 436
That's all I could find for you today.
By the time I found this marriage I knew they were not your family so I didn't take full details, can always look next week.
1767 Richard Brooks = Elizabeth Knight
1767 Oct 20, Thomas, sof Richard & Elizabeth Brooks was baptised
1769 Jun 3, John, sof ---------"--------"---------"-------------"----
1770 Feb 21, John, sof -------"----------"-------" was buried---------
1770 Jun 25, Mary, dof--------"----------"----------was baptised
1773 Mar 22,Sarah, dof--------"----------"-----------------"-------
1774 Jun 16, Mary, dof--------"-----------"------was buried
not sure if this below is still R&E as I haven't found a baptism for a William.
1780 Apr 1, William, sof Richard & Betty Brooks was buried
1781 Jan 27, Frances, dof Richard & Betty Brooks was baptised
1774 Jan 4, Jane, dof James & Jane Brooks was baptised
1775 Dec 20, Martha, dof James & Jane Brooks was baptised
1776 Jun 23, Martha, dof James & Jane Brooks was buried
1777 16 Jul, John & James, sons of James & Jane Brooks was baptised & on the next page date & mth unreadable
1777 Thomas sof James & Jane Brooks was baptised
1780 Oct 24, ? sof James & Jane Brooks was baptised
1783 Feb 18, Samuel, sof James & Jane Brooks was baptised
That's your lot for now, I have booked in next Tuesday if you need anything else.
1877 Jul 15, William Henry Cox, age 21, B, gas fitter, Keynsham, f William Henry Cox, gas fitter =
Alice Emily Williams, age 21, S, Keynsham, f Thomas Williams, leveller
Wits; Thomas Williams junior, Charles Harvey
This fiche would be clear enough to copy if you would like me to.
By the time I found this marriage I knew they were not your family so I didn't take full details, can always look next week.
1767 Richard Brooks = Elizabeth Knight
1767 Oct 20, Thomas, sof Richard & Elizabeth Brooks was baptised
1769 Jun 3, John, sof ---------"--------"---------"-------------"----
1770 Feb 21, John, sof -------"----------"-------" was buried---------
1770 Jun 25, Mary, dof--------"----------"----------was baptised
1773 Mar 22,Sarah, dof--------"----------"-----------------"-------
1774 Jun 16, Mary, dof--------"-----------"------was buried
not sure if this below is still R&E as I haven't found a baptism for a William.
1780 Apr 1, William, sof Richard & Betty Brooks was buried
1781 Jan 27, Frances, dof Richard & Betty Brooks was baptised
1774 Jan 4, Jane, dof James & Jane Brooks was baptised
1775 Dec 20, Martha, dof James & Jane Brooks was baptised
1776 Jun 23, Martha, dof James & Jane Brooks was buried
1777 16 Jul, John & James, sons of James & Jane Brooks was baptised & on the next page date & mth unreadable
1777 Thomas sof James & Jane Brooks was baptised
1780 Oct 24, ? sof James & Jane Brooks was baptised
1783 Feb 18, Samuel, sof James & Jane Brooks was baptised
That's your lot for now, I have booked in next Tuesday if you need anything else.
Thanks again Viv, I do appreciate all the work you've gone to, as it is not easy for me to get to Somerset and this has been fairly high up on my 'to do' list for years! I think that answers most of my questions on the family. Only other thing I can think is Robert Holland, was he baptised there also, presumably from the burial age around 1770? If not I can see him becoming a sticking point, as the marriage doesn't appear to indicate another parish for him.
Thanks
I couldn't find him Richard but I can try the surounding vilages & Yeovil.
Yeovilton is a very small parish, all the above info, from 1710, if I remember right, is on just one fiche. Also they may have had family in Yeovil, as you can see when Phoebe died she was living in Yeovil.
Would you like the details of Richard & Elizabeths marriage?
Thank you very much Vivienne for you kindness :) and time in checking out the parish record for me, also for the offer of getting a copy of the record for me. It does look like this is the wrong couple, how odd that their names are exactly the same as the ones I was looking for.
Thank you again for your help.
Ewen
That's a shame Ewen, don't hesitate to shout up if you need anything else. It gets me out of the house.;)
I just did quick check on FMP between 1870 & 1880 & there is no other couple with those names. Can you be absolutely certain that you haven't made an error in previous research?
I couldn't find him Richard but I can try the surounding vilages & Yeovil.
Yeovilton is a very small parish, all the above info, from 1710, if I remember right, is on just one fiche. Also they may have had family in Yeovil, as you can see when Phoebe died she was living in Yeovil.
Would you like the details of Richard & Elizabeths marriage?
Hello Viv, I have some of the details of that marriage via Freereg, i.e the date and the fact it was by licence, they do not list the witnesses names there though. They only have Yeovilton marriages on Freereg unfortunately none of the baptisms and burials, though a couple of 'LYE' appear in the earlier marriages 1710-1760, so it's possible Pheobe Brooks mother may have been baptised there?
Pheobe certainly did have family in Yeovil, her daughter Elizabeth, my ancestor, and her son George, who appear to be her only surviving children by the time of her death, were living next to each other there in Hendford, Yeovil. Whether Robert was born there..perhaps?
I don't want to put you to anymore trouble though Viv, you've already done more than enough for me, and sounds as though Robert might be a tricky one to find. The surname appears quite common in Somerset, lots of hits on Freereg for marriages. I believe the Holland family were Earls of Exeter in the 15th century, so maybe they all decend from them, not too far (wishful thinking eh!)
Oooo, nobility, I like the sound of that, have to see what I can find out now!:D
It's really no trouble Richard, if I don't go to the RO the only place I go all week is the supermarket & the RO is much more fun.;D
I wish I had known when my brain was still retaining information that one could do this sort of thing professionally. I just love digging around & it is such a privilege to be allowed to handle the old registers, as I was yesterday.;D
Oooo, nobility, I like the sound of that, have to see what I can find out now!:D
It's really no trouble Richard, if I don't go to the RO the only place I go all week is the supermarket & the RO is much more fun.;D
I wish I had known when my brain was still retaining information that one could do this sort of thing professionally. I just love digging around & it is such a privilege to be allowed to handle the old registers, as I was yesterday.;D
Hello Viv
Well there certainly were some very noble Hollands knocking about the area..
From what I can gather the family originates with a Robert de Holland from Up Holland, Lancashire in the mid 13th century. Roberts son, Thomas was a notable soldier in the Hundred Years War and one of the founding members of the Order of the Garter. He gained the title Earl of Kent when he was married, clandestinely and somewhat scandalously, against the Kings wishes, to King Edward I's grandaughter, the great medieval beauty of the age, Joan 'the Fair Maid of Kent', (whose garter allegedly gave rise to the order!). She made a far more 'acceptable' marriage the year after his death to her cousin Edward 'The Black Prince', and became mother of King Richard II. Obviously this upped the fortunes of the Holland sons by her first husband considerbly, as the Kings half brothers, and they were all given titles on adulthood. Her younger son John Holland, started the line down in Devon, being made the first Duke of Exeter. His niece Margaret Holland, was married to the Earl of Somerset, John Beaufort. They, Margaret Holland and John Beaufort, were the great grandparents of Henry Tudor, and g-g grandparents of Henry VIII!
It would be great to find a link to these, as I have Bullen/Boleyns on my fathers side in Norfolk where Ann Boleyns family sprung from, so it would certainly spice the tree up a bit to have a proven a link to both Henry and Ann! Might even finally get the so far fairly disinterested relatives to sit up and take note :D
That said I doubt it is true...everything suggests my Holland were Ag Labs by 1800. Even given 300+ years quite a fall in status! I'm personally just as happy with Ag Labs as High Nobility my self!
Anything else you can find for me on them, or the Lyes and Brooks in Yeovilton and Yeovil is of course very much appreciated, but please only do whatever you might have time for and feel happy doing, I'm greatful enough for the various closed doors you've opened for me on this family already!
Regards
Richard
That's a shame Ewen, don't hesitate to shout up if you need anything else. It gets me out of the house.;)
I just did quick check on FMP between 1870 & 1880 & there is no other couple with those names. Can you be absolutely certain that you haven't made an error in previous research?
Hello Vivienne
The other couple are not believed to be married, it was just that these 2 exactly the same names cropped up and I did wonder if the guy had married both ladies! It does appear not though.;)
You are very kind doing these lookups for people.
Thanks again.
Ewan
Hi Kaz, no clues to Sarah's father I'm afraid but maybe her Marriage certificate would have it. Maria Jane was home for the census in 1881 so she didn't just come home to Wiveliscombe to have Sarah
1883 Jan 19, Sarah Ann, dof Maria Jane Rogers a single woman of Croford in Wiveliscombe was baptised.
I searched the Wiveliscombe burial register for Fred, Elizabeth & Maria but found only 2 with the surname Rogers. I got quite excited when I first found them but then I realised that the ages didn't fit. I'll post them just incase they belong to you.
1897Jan 7, Hannah Rogers was buried. Fredericks mother is Hannah but the 1881 census says she is 91 & the corresponding BMD ref says this one is 73yrs. Still a possible but you would need to take a chance on the death cert to prove it.
1911 Jun 28, Jane Rogers of Cotford Asylum, Norton Fitzwarren, late of Wiveliscombe was buried age 75
I found Fred & Elizabeth in the 1861/71 census in Cardiff & 1881 in Wiveliscombe but in 1891 Freds wife is named as Mary Ann & 8yr old Sarah Ann is with them.
You may already have this but the next time I find Sarah Ann is in Cardiff, 1911 with her husband John Henry Gardner & 3 sons, Edward, Frederick & Thomas.
If you don't have it she married John Henry in Cardiff, 1904 Jun qtr 11a 517.
Found a possible marriage for Frederick Rogers to Elizabeth Hobbs in Cardiff 1856 Dec 11a 436
That's all I could find for you today.
Hi Vivenne,
Thanks found this message at long last...........
I didn't think the father would of been listed but it was just sheer hope........... I do have Sarah's marriage cert & it dosen't show her father just a blank space :>(
Thanks so much for the info on Fred & Elizabeth Rogers & yes Hannah is Fred's mother,think her surname was Vickery the only thing different is i have Hannah diying in 1882 & not 1892,perhaps that's my mistake?
As for the other info yes i do have it but i'm most greatful for you sending it over.............Think i need to go back to the drawing board & see if Hannah is the correct mother of Fred.........
Thank you so much for all your help...................
Kaz..................
brentor boy
07-03-11, 07:29
Hi Viv,
I've another family I would like your help to get sorted, if you are still willing and able. I will post what I know/suspect and indicate the gaps. Please use this as a menu to select which lines you wish to pursue.
FLETCHER family - all events COMPTON DUNDON ( unless otherwise stated)
Joseph Fletcher (b c 1759/64) married Betty/Elizabeth Hewlett (b c 1784/7) Oct 1808. Daughter Charlotte baptised Farmborough Oct 1822. Marriage, death and census records all suggest she was born c 1819.
Did this couple have any other children?
In 1841 Elizabeth is living with Charlotte, Joseph is in household including Frances Edgar (b c 1788), Mary Boles (22) Henry Boles (2). Frances Bowles married William Edgar Oct 1825, Frances Fletcher married Henry Bowles Oct 1814. Mary Ann Bowles witnessed Charlotte's marriage.
What is the connection between Joseph and Frances?
A Joseph Fletcher married Ann Syms in Dec 1786.
Is this Joseph's first marriage?
A Joseph Fletcher was buried at Farmborough in Mar 1824, aged 37 (b c 1787).
Is this Joseph's first born?
I have found reference to a William Fletcher (b c 1774), son of Robert of Compton Dundon. The name Robert appears amongst Joseph's descendants and there are earlier records of a Robert Fletcher having a child named Robert and two sons named Joseph.
Does this provide a clue to Joseph's parentage?
Viv, the last thing I want is for it to appear that I am abusing your generosity, and I am well aware that there are others hoping to benefit from your assistance, so please only take on what it is comfortable for you to do. Any additional details or clarification you can provide will be much appreciated.
Hi Vic, please don't worry about asking for help, I love doing it & I'm perfectly capable of telling you if I don't want or am unable to do any more.;)
What I tend to do when I get a request like yours is to get the more urgent/straightforward ones done first & then do as much of yours as I can in the time I have that day.
Tomorrow I have two of you with more vague enquiries so I will roughly divide the time between you & what I don't do this week I'll go back & do next.;D
Hi Vic, like I said I split today down the middle & I probably haven't got what you really need this week, just general. These fiche are not particularly clear.
I have just looked at Compton Dundon fiche so far, 2/1/3 covers marriages & I have all that include either Fletcher or Hewlett, there are 3 Joseph & one Robert Fletcher.
1786 Dec 9, Joseph Fletcher x = Ann Syms x both OTP, wits John Corp & John Finney----banns
1808 Oct 10, Joseph Fletcher x = Betty Hewlett x both OTP, wits James Fletcher & Wm Finney----banns
1809 July 10, Joseph Fletcher x = Ann Godfrey x both OTP, wits William Edwards & Wm Finney ------banns
1774 Aug 15, Robert Fletcher x = Ails Goodland x both OTP, wits Tho's Donning & Edward Brewer----banns
1756 Mar 1, William Hewlett x = Elizabeth Yard x both OTP, wits
? Uphill & John Bishop
1771 May 27, Thomas Jennings / = Elizabeth Hewlett x both OTP, wits John Allen & Ed Brewer
1773 Aug 19, Thomas Hopkins x B of Curry Rivel = Martha Hewlett x S OTP, wits Joseph Symmons & Edward Brewer
1776 Apr 8, John Hewlett x = Amy Cullen x both OTP wits Tho's Donning & Edward Brewer
1782 Jun 5, William Hewlett x = Ann Ham x both OTP wits John Godfrey & John Finney
1786 May 8, William Brewer / + Martha Hewlett x both OTP wits Grace Cullen & John Finney
1787 Oct 16, James Hewlett x = Jane Godfrey x both OTP wits John Finney & John Hix ?
1787 Dec 18, Ambrose Hewlett x = Jane Brake x both OTP wits Job White & John Finney
1802 Dec 27, William Godfrey / = Ann Hewlett x both OTP wits John Finney & Wm Godfrey
I'm tired now, will add the rest/ baptisms tomorrow
Viv - you did say you kept a record of what you found for people - did you ever do some research for me - and what was the outcome - could you email it to me? I dont want to ask you something you've already researched.
Yes Jood, I have a file on you!!!!:D
I'm just off to bed but I'll sort it all out tomorrow, night!;)
Oooh I just re-noticed I'm talking to a mod !!! lol
Ok Viv - will wait till you wakey wakey!
Hi Jood, it was the Puddy family that I was looking at but I'm not sure if I answered your query or not.:o
I have a list of baptisms from 1766 - 1824 in Mark & I've also printed a page from FreeBMD that I have no idea about at all.
It is marriages in Bath Jun 1865, only 3 names & I have highlighted one, John James Neil, hope it means something to you.:)
I've just decided that what I should put in the file is my actual reply on here then I would know just what I have said & not just a meaningless list of dates.
Viv I am not so sure that the 2nd bit belongs to me - I had no rellies in Bath and certainly no John James Neil.
My Puddy's came from Mark, Somerset, and the Westlakes from Puriton or Bridgwater.
Could you send or email the S/set info and free bmd and I'll re-check it again.
Thanks for holding on to it.
I don't have your email Jood.
Jood, I owe you a huge apology:o
I am so, so sorry, I just looked back to your original request & it seems I typed a reply that disapeared into the ether, promised to get back to you when I had the energy to type it all again & forgot all about it!!!!!:crying:
Maybe I wasn't as over the spell in hospital as well as I thought!
Let me try again next week, before I get involved in hospital visits again. PLEASE to make ammends.
Good Morning Vic, part 2, Baptisms.
I had to get the original out for some of these as the fiche are very bad in places.
Fletchers in Compton Dundon;
1756 Aug 15, Ann, dof Robert & Elenor Fletcher
1758 Feb 12, Mary, dof Robert & Elinor Fletcher
1759 Oct 7, Joseph, sof Robert & Elinor Fletcher
1762 May 8, Joseph, sof Robert & Elenor Fletcher
1764 Dec 11, William, sof Robert & Ails? Fletcher, this was dificult to read in the original
1777 Feb 9, John, sof Robert & Alliso? Fletcher
1809 Feb 28, John, sof Joseph & Elizabeth Fletcher
1811 Mar 31, William, sof William & Betty Fletcher
1812 Oct 31, James, sof Joseph & Elizabeth Fletcher
Hewlett in Compton Dundon;
1750 Apr 22, Elizabeth, dof Abraham & Ann Hewlett
1756 Feb 15, Martha & Mary, dsof Abraham & Ann Hewlett
1756 Dec 25, James, sof James & Mary Hewlett
1757 Jan 14, Millor? dof William & Elizabeth Howlett. The clerk at this time was not particularly literate & niether I nor a researcher could work out what this was meant to be.
1758 Jun 13, William, sof William & Elizabeth Howlett
1760 Feb 10, Bin Gorman, sof William & Elizabeth Howlett. I think this was probably meant to be Benjamin! lol
1761 Nov 8, Joannah, dof William & Elizabeth Howlett
1761 Dec 13, Martha, dof Abrham & Ann Hewlett
1762 Aug 5, William, sof James & Mary Hewlett
1766 Apr 2, Anne, dof William & Elizabeth Hewlett
1770 ? ?, Henry, sof William & Betty Hewlett
1778 Jul 19, Rosanah & Joanna, dsof John & Amy Hewlett
1779 Aug 2, Amey, dof John & Amey Hewlett
1781 Mar ?, Ann, dof John & Amey Hewlett
1782 Aug 29, William, sof John & Amey Hewlett.
I think next week I need to take a look at Farmborough but tell me if there is anything specific you want me to look for.
Hi Richard, no luck finding Robert yet, try again next week. I searched Yeovil St John, fiche 2/1/2 from 1769 -- 1778
A little more luck with the Lye family, at least I hope I have the right family in Yeovilton, fiche 2/1/1;
1737 Jan 2, Robert, sof Joseph & Sarah Lye
1739 Sep 5, Jenny, dof Joseph & Sarah Lye
1742 May 22, William, sof Joseph & Sarah Lye, buried 1742 Jul 25
1743 Jul 17, Ann, dof Joseph & Sarah Lye
1745 Mar ?, Charity, dof Joseph & Sarah Lye
1749 Jul 9, Mary, dof Joseph & Sarah Lye
Also found in Yeovilton 2/1/1
1782 Jul 28, Joseph Lye was buried
1784 Jan 11, Sarah Lye,widow was buried at Parish expense
1801 Oct 15, Elizabeth Holland was buried
1811 Jan 6, Richard Brook was buried
I hope some of that will be helpfull, I'll see what else I can find next week & please shout if there is anything specific you want me to search for.
Thank you Viv, terrific as ever, will go through those and get back to you.
brentor boy
09-03-11, 23:59
Hi Viv. Once again I am in your debt. Many thanks. I have yet to analyse all the information in detail but I am having to consider whether I am dealing with one, two or more Josephs. I was hoping that if we could find Frances, that might make things clearer, but no luck.
I am not sure I am expecting to find anything very much in the Farmborough records. I have thought that Joseph moved there for a few years in search of work before returning to Compton Dundon. I'm not sure I want you to spend much of your time researching in that area but if you have chance to have a quick look, after you have completed all your other tasks, I would be pleased to hear if you see anything of interest.
Hi Viv
Been entering up the information you found, terrific stuff. I'm sure that is my Mary Lye born 1849, which would have made her only in her mid twenties still when she died, evidently in or soon after childbirth, very sad. Cannot find the parents marriage Joseph Lye and Sarah on the Freereg transcripts, so doesn't look like they were married in the parish. I'm also coming to think the Hollands must have been from elsewhere originally.
I've been wondering whether to trouble you with this, but I also have some trouble with my Elizabeth Hollands husband, John Hockey Jones. He was born 1803 Shapwick and his parents were William Jones and Elizabeth Hockey married same year.
On the IGI there was only one christening for a William, son of James, a Yeoman Farmer, and his wife Mary b.1775
However it's not so simple, there are two marriages in the parish:
William Jones and Elizabeth Hockey 1803
William Jones and Elizabeth Winsor 1812.
I'm sure this isn't a remarriage as there's also two burials:
William JONES Date 26 May 1819 Aged 39 Place Shapwick Description Blessed Virgin Mary (b year 1779/80)
William JONES Date 3 Dec 1836 Aged 57 Place Shapwick Description Blessed Virgin Mary (b year 1778/9)
I've had a dig around on the net and the second one was fatally injured, killed by a gale which all but destroyed the family mill in 1836. His wife Elizabeth or Betty is on the 1841-61 census widowed as a Miller. Apparantly the Mill was in the Jones family from at least early 18th c. First Richard Jones, then handed down to son John Jones (who owned it 1781), then presumably to his son William.
The first burial 1819 must have been a yeoman farmer, and is then liely the son baptised to James 1775, as his widow Elizabeth is living with her married daughter Harriet, widow of a Yeoman Farmer.
So two William Jones, both married to Elizabeths, in the same parish at same time..helpful eh! So I just don't know if the William Jones who married Elizabeth Hockey, my ancestor, was the Miller died 1836 or the Yeoman 1819.
On the IGI there are the following children baptised to William and Elizabeth Jones:
JOHN HOCKEY JONES : 25 SEP 1803 Shapwick, Somerset,
JANE JONES - : 27 DEC 1805 Shapwick, Somerset,
ANNE JONES - : 12 JUL 1808 Shapwick, Somerset,
HARRIET JONES - : 24 SEP 1809 Shapwick, Somerset,
MARY JONES - : 01 JAN 1813 Shapwick, Somerset,
HARRIET JONES - 01 JAN 1813 Shapwick, Somerset,
BETTY JONES - : 11 JUL 1813 Shapwick, Somerset,
JANE JONES - : 19 FEB 1815 Shapwick, Somerset,
ELIZABETH JONES - 10 APR 1815 Shapwick, Somerset,
MARIA JONES - : 09 MAY 1817 Shapwick, Somerset,
EDWARD JONES - : 19 NOV 1820 Shapwick, Somerset
Obviously pre 1809 ithey must be the children of William and Elizabeth Hockey, but impossible to tell after 1812, which of the two couples the children are to. Would it be possible to look at these baptism's? I'm hopingthey may give a fathers occupation which will help sort them out. It appears to be the Harriet baptised 1813 who the Yeomans widow is living with on the census, so if I can identify whether or not she was as a sibling to John Hockey Jones, it will also identify which of the two Williams was his father. Also if you could check the two marriages for witnesses names might help?
Also the mother Elizabeth Hockey was born in Shapwick around 1778/9. Would it be possible to check for her while going through the baptism register. I know there were at least two couples Thomas and Frances, and Henry and Mary having children around that time, as I have viewed some transcripts for the parish, but as luck would have it these only covered from 1780 onwards, so Elizabeth just left out!
If you can help much appreciated, though if you are too busy, or not feeling up to it, not to worry. At some point I may have to purchase the Shapwick Microfiche and try and sort through this family myself anyway, as they seem to have been there a while, and of course surname like Jones never easy!
Thanks again for all your help.
Regards
Richard
Hi Richard, just you & Vic asking for help at the mo so I'll see what I can do next week. At the moment I can't be sure which day but I will definitely go one day.
Thank you Viv, any help you can give is appreciated. I've been halted on this since 2006, so any progress is good!
Richard
brentor boy
12-03-11, 11:09
Hi Viv,
I've now had the chance to examine all the information you unearthed and compare it with the details I already had. As a result I have completely re-thought my ideas about the Fletcher family. I now suspect that Joseph, husband of Betty Hewlett, was Joseph (27 May 1787), son of Joseph and Ann (Symes), and that it was he who died in Farmborough in 1824, aged 37. Therefore I would appreciate it if you would take a detailed look at Framborough BMD registers. It would be helpful to know if there were other Fletchers in the area at that time to which the deceased Joseph may have belonged.
Thanks,
Vic
Hi Richard, it's a little more complicated than you think, there are 3 occupations! lol The early ones unfortunately give no information.
JOHN HOCKEY JONES : 25 SEP 1803 Shapwick, Somerset,
JANE JONES - : 27 DEC 1805 Shapwick, Somerset,
ANNE JONES - : 12 JUL 1808 Shapwick, Somerset,
HARRIET JONES - : 24 SEP 1809 Shapwick, Somerset,
MARY JONES - : 01 JAN 1813 Shapwick, Somerset, --Farmer
HARRIET JONES - 01 JAN 1813 Shapwick, Somerset,--Farmer
BETTY JONES - : 11 JUL 1813 Shapwick, Somerset,--Mason & I read the name as Betsy
JANE JONES - : 19 FEB 1815 Shapwick, Somerset,--Miller
ELIZABETH JONES - 10 APR 1815 Shapwick, Somerset,--Farmer, name is Eliza
MARIA JONES - : 09 MAY 1817 Shapwick, Somerset,- Miller
Sarah Jones- 1818 Jan 4th, address Glastonbury--Farmer
EDWARD JONES - : 19 NOV 1820 Shapwick, Somerset--Miller
William Jones -1822 Jan 19, Shapwick, Miller
Sarah Jones--1825 Jul 11, Shapwick, Miller
William Jones and Elizabeth Hockey 1803 20 Jul, wits William Clarke & James Jones. William batch signed, Elizabeth spin mark
William Jones and Elizabeth Winsor 1812. 27 Jul, wits Edward Jones & ? Champion. condition not stated, William signed Elizabeth made mark.
These Joneses are leading us a merry dance,is this a typing error?
Apparantly the Mill was in the Jones family from at least early 18th c. First Richard Jones, then handed down to son John Jones (who owned it 1781), then presumably to his son William.
I'm curious about this IGI entry saying that Williams father was a Yeoman Farmer, the fiche that I looked at yesterday gives no information as to occupation.
I went back to 1768 (fiche 2/1/2) for baptisms & didn't find any with the surname Hockey although I found a marriage (fiche2/1/3) in 1782 for a Thomas Hockey & Frances James & this was the only Hockey I found in Shapwick.
These are the Jones baptisms;
1770 Apr 17, Jane, dof James & Mary Jones
1771 Nov 27, James, sof James & Mary Jones
1773 Aug 2, Mary, dof James & Mary Jones
1774 Jul 12, Jane, dof Edward & Tamsy? Jones
1775 May 5, William, sof James & Mary Jones
1776 Apr 29, Mary, dof Edward & Tamzin Jones
1777 Feb 14, John, sof James & Mary Jones
1778 May 20, Tamsey, dof Edward & Tamsey Jones, There is a marriage in 1799, 25 Nov for Tamesin Jones to Charles Britton
1779 Dec 27, Elizabeth, dof James & Mary Jones
Fiche 2/1/4
1781 Jul 24, Charles, sof James & Mary Jones
1783 Aug 1, Thomas, sof James & Mary Jones
1786 Feb 2, Ann, dof James & Mary Jones
1788 Apr 2, Charlotte, dof Edward & Tamsen Jones
1788 Jul 7, Samuel, sof James & Mary Jones
1790 Apr 7, Elizabeth, dof Edward & Tamson Jones
1803 Jun 14, Samuel, sof Samuel & Elizabeth Jones
1803 Jul 11, Rhoda, dof Edward & Tamzin Jones
1805 Jul 7, Richard Mogg, sof John & Jane Jones
1806 Aug 12, James Henry, sof John & Jane Jones
1809 Oct 16, Mary, dof John & Jane Jones
1811Nov 25, Sarah, dof John & Jane Jones.
Male Jones marriages from 1755--1812, fiche 2/1/3
1768 Nov 21, Thomas Jones / B of Queen Camel = Jane Hawkins x S OTP, wits Thomas Stone or could be Hone & William Jones
1770 Feb 5, James Jones / B, OTP = Mary Parish / S OTP, wits William Durston & Thomas Stone/Hone
1773 Jun 16 Edward Jones / OTP = Tamsin Leakey x OTP, wits Thomas Stone/Hone & David Parish
1791 Jan 6, Thomas Jones / OTP = Sarah Cabbell / OTP, wits James Jones & William Clarke
1793 Dec 30, Samuel Jones / B OTP = Elizabeth Young x S OTP, wits John Woodruffe & William Clarke.
As you can see various clerks had difficulty with the name Tamsin & one of them also did not seem to understand the principle of the bride signing her maiden name, there were loads where she signed the married name lol
The early fiche are not very clear but I'm fairly sure I have found all the Jones boys & girls!
I've booked in for next Tuesday.
Oops missed a list, found these few Hockey baptisms, fiche 2/1/4
1782 Aug 10, William, sof Thomas & Frances Hockey
1784 Dec 26, Esther, base born dof Hannah Hockey
1785 May 6, Ann, dof Henry & Mary Hockey
1786 Feb 12, Jane, dof Thomas & Frances Hockey
1786 Sep 17, Jane, dof Henry & Mary Hockey
Hi Vic,
Farmborough fiche 2/1/2, 1745 --1812 Baptisms, Burials, Marriages, no Fletchers.
Fiche 2/1/4, 1812 --1840 Baptisms
1822 Oct 6, Charlotte, dof Joseph & Elizabeth Fletcher of Farmborough----labourer
1825Mar 6, James, sof James & Sarah Fletcher of Farmborough
" , Joseph, sof James & Sarah Fletcher
" , Elizabeth dof James & Sarah Fletcher ---- Mason
Fiche 2/1/9, 1813--1863 Burials
1824 Mar 7, Joseph Fletcher age 37
Couldn't find any other Fletchers in Farmborough.
I've booked in for Tuesday next week.
brentor boy
19-03-11, 23:24
Hi Viv,
Thanks for that. Sadly nothing that really adds to what I already know. Certainly nothing that confirms/contradicts my speculative thoughts. I guess I shall have to put my Fletchers to one side for a time until I get some fresh inspiration or further identifying information. Many thanks for your time and interest.
Vic
Hi Viv
This Jones family
1770 Feb 5, James Jones / B, OTP = Mary Parish / S OTP, wits William Durston & Thomas Stone/Hone
1770 Apr 17, Jane, dof James & Mary Jones
1771 Nov 27, James, sof James & Mary Jones
1773 Aug 2, Mary, dof James & Mary Jones
1775 May 5, William, sof James & Mary Jones
1777 Feb 14, John, sof James & Mary Jones
1779 Dec 27, Elizabeth, dof James & Mary Jones
1781 Jul 24, Charles, sof James & Mary Jones
1783 Aug 1, Thomas, sof James & Mary Jones
1786 Feb 2, Ann, dof James & Mary Jones
1788 Jul 7, Samuel, sof James & Mary Jones
I have a will for the father (dated March 1811) which mentions the children, which is how I know he was a Yeoman farmer (i.e it's not from the IGI). His son William was left 100 pounds, but no mention of whether he is a Miller/Mason/Farmer! Since at the burial both Williams were of a similar age, he could be either the Miller of farmer, though farmer would seem more obvious. As you say the Mill was certainly already in Jones family from at least 1740, inherited from a Richard to his son John circa 1770's, so would make more sense if William the miller was the son of John the miller, and the other William the farmer, son of James the farmer.
Either way looking at the baptisms, they do start to make some sort of sense (if you discount the stray mason!):
William Jones and Elizabeth Winsor 1812. 27 Jul, wits Edward Jones & ? Champion. condition not stated, William signed Elizabeth made mark.
JANE JONES - : 19 FEB 1815 Shapwick, Somerset,--Miller
MARIA JONES - : 09 MAY 1817 Shapwick, Somerset,- Miller
EDWARD JONES - : 19 NOV 1820 Shapwick, Somerset--Miller
William Jones -1822 Jan 19, Shapwick, Miller
Sarah Jones--1825 Jul 11, Shapwick, Miller
William Jones and Elizabeth Hockey 1803 20 Jul, wits William Clarke & James Jones. William batch signed, Elizabeth spin mark
JOHN HOCKEY JONES : 25 SEP 1803 Shapwick, Somerset,
JANE JONES - : 27 DEC 1805 Shapwick, Somerset,
ANNE JONES - : 12 JUL 1808 Shapwick, Somerset,
HARRIET JONES - : 24 SEP 1809 Shapwick, Somerset,
MARY JONES - : 01 JAN 1813 Shapwick, Somerset, --Farmer
HARRIET JONES - 01 JAN 1813 Shapwick, Somerset,--Farmer
ELIZABETH JONES - 10 APR 1815 Shapwick, Somerset,--Farmer, name is Eliza
Sarah Jones- 1818 Jan 4th, address Glastonbury--Farmer
I'm starting to think itis more likely the earlier baptisms,including my John, were to the farmer, because the millers wife Elizabeth, she seems just that little bit too young on the later census 1841-61 for the first marriage, she appears to be born born circa 1788-90, (a good ten year younger than her husband William), whereas the farmers wife was same sort of age as her husband born circa 1778/9, and seems more likely of the two to be Elizabeth Hockey.
Shame her baptisms doesn't appear to be in the parish after all, I'm wondering whether there was an independant chapel running there somehwere, as the miller Jones's are largely missing too!
Anyway it certainly has helped clear my thinking a bit on these families a fair bit, Viv, as ever very much appreciated.
Best wishes for your hospital appointment on Wednesday BTW, will be keeping fingers crossed and hope all goes well for you.
Regards
Richard
Hi Viv
The next time you go can you see if you can find the details of this marriage please.
Isaac Hamblin and Ann Ashman
at St James Church, Bath 1864 (Bath bmd)
Sep 1/4 (Free bmd)
Free reg only goes up to 1840 for this church
If the registers are fairly clear to read I may have some more marriages at that Church.
2 other requests please - Percy Harold Lay died 29 Mar 1916 in India
Do they have any WW1 war dairies for 2nd/4th Battalion Somerset LI in India in 1916.
Copies of newspapers for the Radstock area for 1916
Thanks
Hi Malc, I wish you had posted this yesterday. I was at the RO today & I won't know until tomorrow if & when I'll be able to go again for a while, sorry, hopefully I'll still be ok to go next week.
Richard & Vic I have a few more bits for you but too tired today to post, hopefully I'll be able to post when I get home from the hospital tomorrow.
That's OK Viv
Hope everything goes well for you today.
HUG HUG
Thinking of you.
Hi Richard, I started checking out the parishes next to Yeovilton for Hollands or Brooks.
Northover 2/1/2, bapts 1723-1812, mar 1724-1749, bur 1722-1812 No Brooks or Holland
Chilton Cantelo 2/1/1, Bapts, Bur & Mar 1714-1812 No Brooks or Holland
Podimore Milton 2/1/1, Bapts, Mar, Bur, 1635-1761, no Brooks or Holland but there were a couple of Hockey.
West Camel 2/1/1, bapts 1710-1812,mar 1710-1750, bur 1678-1703 & 1710-1810
1790 Mar 6, John sof Mary & Tho's Brook was baptised
1795 Sep 1, Samuel sof Tho's & Mary Brook was baptised
1797 Apr 2, Elizabeth dof Tho's & Mary Brooks was baptised
1799 Jun 2, Joseph sof Thomas & Mary Brook was recieved
1799 Jun 2, Mary dof Thomas & Mary Brook was recieved, both born & privately baptised 6 May 1799.
1802 Oct 31, Mathew & Martin sons of Thomas & Mary Brooks, baptised
1808 Jan 31, Frances dof Thomas & Mary Brooks, baptised
1803 Apr 11, Mark Brook an infant was buried
1810 Dec 6, Tho's Brook was buried.
Hope they fit somewhere. Do you want me to keep looking next time I go?
Hi Vic, I went back to Compton Dundon 2/1/1, & searched from 1786 when Joseph & Ann married, the first you already know.
1787 May 27, Joseph sof Joseph & Ann Fletcher was baptised
1788 Nov 23, James sof Joseph & Ann Fletcher was baptised
1793 Jul 21, William sof Joseph & Ann Fletcher was baptised
1793 Aug 25, William s of Joseph & Ann Fletcher was buried
1794Dec 25, William sof ----"-----------"---------was baptised
1798 Mar 4, John sof -------"-----------"---------was baptised
1762 Apr 25, Elenor dof Robert Flatcher was buried
1762 Jun 20, Joseph sof Robert Flatcher was buried
1764 May 10, Anne dof Robert Flatcher was buried
Hope something there is helpfull!
Thank you Viv, much appreciated, I will put these in the log, as they may fit in somewhere as the research progresses. It would be nice to find out where Robert Holland was born, (still harbouring faint hopes of him linking him up to aristocracy!) but looks like it might be a tough task indeed, so I think it would be best to leave it for time being, unless of course you ever get really bored and do fancy having a further try at any point.
I must thank you again for all the help you've been able to give me on these families, really pleased with all the info you've found, and have as a result,with another cousin, been able to print up a very detailed tree for my great aunt on this line who is 86 this year and is very interested in seeing her ancestors set out!
Best Regards
Richard
There are still more ajacent parishes Richard!
brentor boy
24-03-11, 23:36
Hi Viv,
Sorry to note your hospital visit. Hope all went well.
It was an unexpected bonus to receive the additional information; thanks. I can relate it to details I already have but one peculiar anomaly has shown up.
Robert/Eleanor Fletcher are recorded as having sons Joseph baptised 7 Oct 1759 and 8 May 1762, and a Joseph buried 20 Jun 1762. Does this mean that there were two Josephs alive at the same time or that the burial of the first is not recorded? (I don't expect you to have the answer!) I am particularly interested as I thought it possible that this might be the family of my Joseph. This conjecture is now thrown into doubt. Isn't genealogy fun!
Cheers,
Vic
Sorry Vic that is my error, at least it could be!!:o
From the fiche I wrote down 8 May 1762 but on Tuesday I had the chance to see the original record & it should be 1763!
Hope that helps.;D
brentor boy
25-03-11, 10:29
Thanks, Viv. That would make much more sense.
Vic
Tricia Green
10-04-11, 09:40
Hi Vivienne
I am not sure if you are able to continue with lookups at present but if you are, would it be possible for you to see if you can find any information on the following marriage please.
I have the image from Ancestry but I am hoping there will be further information on the record.
The marriage took place at Bath Abbey 1795
between
Cecil B Mose & Elizabeth Blackman.
Many thanks
Tricia
Hi Vivienne
If you get a chance,i am hoping you could re-look at my Rogers/Hobbs line....
I got the marriage cert for Fredrick Rogers born 1831 at Wiveliscombe,he married Elizabeth Hobbs born 1834 at Cosington [?] They wed in Cardiff 23/11/1856. Her father Occuptation was noted to be a Hoistband man ? Cert is unreadable by 'Yes Dear' & he dosen't bring it to me untill next week...
On the 1851 cenus there is an Elizabeth Hobbs with a William Hobbs living in lodgeings,but the William who she is with is old enough to be her father & he is a widower & also comes from Porlock but it dosen't say if she is his daughter & his trade is working for the Railway.....
When i find them on the 1841 census....There is
William born 1808 Head,born Porlock
Mary 1813 wife,born Porlock
Sarah born 1831 Porlock.
Elizabeth born 1834 Porlock.
Robert born 1835 Porlock.
When i found Elizabeth on the 1851 she was with William in Cardiff but her father & mother Mary was still living in Somerset,am i following the wrong family???
Could you please tell me if Elizabeth & the other siblings were baptised at Porlock & who what is Elizabeth's mothers maiden name??
Many many thanks from a cold wet windy Poland.....
Kaz.
I am sorry people but I'm having chemotherapy at the moment & will not be at the RO for some time.
I will post when I feel able to start again.
Hi Viv hope it is all going well, and sending my best wishes to you. Richard
Tricia Green
16-04-11, 11:48
I am so sorry to hear you are undergoing treatment and I hope it all works out well for you.
kind regards
Tricia
I am sorry people but I'm having chemotherapy at the moment & will not be at the RO for some time.
I will post when I feel able to start again.
Hi Vivienne.
Don't worry about looking for my lot,get yourself better first,that's more important.
Kaz.
Jane Richards
26-05-11, 08:57
Hi Kaz
The records for Porlock are online. Go to http://www.wsom.org.uk/Registers/PorMar17541812.htm.
Frederick Rogers born DEC 1827 in Wiveliscombe, parents William and Hannah. William was a cordwainer. Frederick was bapt 25/12/1827. Wiveliscombe records are also online. Sorry I cant help with Cossington parish records.
Good luck
Jane
Jane,
Thank you so much for this,it does help,when i'm back in the UK i will make try to visit Cossington,unless someone beats me to it :>)...........Here's hoping!
Kaz
TiggerLottie
01-09-12, 18:13
Hi Vivienne
I am not sure if you are around here at the moment as i see you have a lot going on in your life and I wish you a safe and speedy recovery :)
Please ignore my entire post if your not up n about at the moment.....
Ok, My Great Granfather Joshua John Ford was born in Cheddar abt 1835 give or take a few years...The census for after he was married is a little sketchy on his age.
I am trying to locate who his parent were, I found a record for his marriage on Ancestry.co.uk but it did not list anything but on Familysearch.org it is as follows
Joshua John Ford Married Sarah Stock
Parents: John Andrews Ford & Charles Stock
Date: 28 Jun 1858
Ind Project: M00220-5
Source Film: 1526763
Ref: P64
I have seached through every document I can on Ancestry. There was another Joshua Born in Wells around about that time with a Father listed as unknown but Mother was Sarah - But I dont think thats him.
As I then did a census check on All John & Sarah ford and none of them had a child named Joshua John, There is a Joshua on a 1841 Census with a Sarah Ford and Ephriam Ford 24 and Lydia Ford Ford 20 but when I search Ephraims marriage it stated his father as Benjamin. But 1841 census do not list relation to head so I dont know whether it is him and hes staying with relatives or not.
If there is any chance you can sorce Joshua John Ford's Parents for me I would love you for ever.
I am currently living in New Zealand and unable to get anywhere close to a centre in the Uk..
Gratefully waiting in total anticipation :)
Lottie Powley
Hi Lottie,
Sorry I didn't get back to you before, I was having a rare break from chemo & away with some friends. I'm not getting to the RO these days I'm afraid, chemo makes me rather wooly headed & I can't concentrate.
This round is due to finish mid October, then it usually takes a couple of weeks for the head to start working. I'll look at the thread then if I can get my brain in gear.
Good luck with other avenues meantime.
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