Bedford RO Lookups-Ongoing

[Peter Stenning]

I will be visiting the Bedford & Luton Archives Record office next week on either Wednesday 9th or Friday 11th.
If anyone needs a search or look up can you post please and i will see what i can do.

Paulc i have yours allready on my list.

Regards
Peter

[Oakum Picker]

Thanks for the offer Peter.

Please would you get me the details of:
Marriage Edmund ARNOLD Rose CHAPMAN Biggleswade 21/10/1793
Burial Rose ARNOLD prob. 1803-1809
Marriage Edmund ARNOLD Sarah WHITE Northill 9/1/1809

Or whichever of them that you can manage. Thank you.

[Peter Stenning]

Noted Glen ,

Added to my list and will advise next week .

Peter

[Oakum Picker]

Thanks Peter.

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Peter,

I don't want to appear greedy but as I'm the only one asking at the moment, may I ask for a couple more please?

In fact if there is any restriction would you do these first please. It's something I've wanted to sort for a long time but keep forgetting. Both men come from Hitchin & I'm hoping the deatails on their marriages will indicate which families they are from.

James HIDE (20) & Emily BROWN (20) 10/7/1848 St Mary Luton
James HYDE(24) & Susan ANDERSON (26) 10/6/1854 St Mary Luton

The details of both would be very useful.

Thanks in advance.

Glen.

[Peter Stenning]

Hi Glen ,

I will do all that is asked and i will do that one as the most important, i hope to go regularly so can do what i dont have time for at a later date if thats ok.?

There is no restriction on requests .


Peter

[Oakum Picker]

Thanks very much Peter. Whenever is convenient for you. I've waited this long, as I can't face the drive over to Bedford- I've done it a couple of times, so a few more weeks/months won't matter.

[Peter Stenning]

Off this morning so any late requests , i will be leaving at around 9.30am.



Regards Peter

[Peter Stenning]

To OP

Found your two marraiges for James Hyde however it does throw up some more questions for you to sort out .:D

10/7/1846 at St Mary Luton
James Hyde 20 Lab. res. Luton Father James Hide Butcher
Emily Brown 20 Spinster res Luton Father George Brown Lab.

Witnesses Emelia Brown/Edwin Thompson.

Note the name of his father is definately HIDE AND NOT HYDE there is no tail on the I

10/6/1854

James Hyde 24 Lab. Res. Luton Father William Hyde Lab.
Susan Anderson 26 Res. Luton Father Joseph Anderson Lab.

Witnesses Mary Anderson/John 'unreadable' lonuin.?or Lunein.? the last 2 letters are I as its dotted and N

Re Edmund Arnold/Rose Chapman
All could find here was the death of Rose Arnold on 7th March 1804

The second marriage stated that Edmund was a widower of Biggleswade.
i ran out of time to persue any further .

Peter

[Oakum Picker]

That's brilliant Peter, the James HIDE/HYDE info. falls nicely into place for me & gives me the ammunition I need to make a few comments on Ancestry.

Rose's death & Edmund being a widower from Biggleswade confirms that there is probably only one Edmund.

Thanks very much again.

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Peter,

I have another for whenever you next go.


[no title or date] QSR/24/1820/122
These documents are held at Bedfordshire and Luton Archives and Record Service
Contents:
Recognizances: Thomas Smith, Bedford, constable, Robert Taylor, same, butcher, Thomas Saunders, Langley Bottom, Herts., labourer, John Grundon, same, victualler; give evidence as in 121. See 235-41

I am interested in the details pertaining to John GRUNDON. Thanks.

[Peter Stenning]

Yes not a problem, do i assume this is a trail or hearing ?


I am going this week again so its should be soon.



Pete

[Oakum Picker]

I would assume so but I don't know who for or what about. There is likely no more detail & probably the only way I might find out what John had to say is in a newspaper report & that's not a definite so don't go looking for that. Thanks.

Have you looked at the Gaol Records? Quite a few of mine have turned up there & I was wondering if anything more is shown in the records than in the detail online.

[Peter Stenning]

Have you seen this .?



[no title or date] QSR/24/1820/237



Examinations and Depositions: John Gruddon, Langley, Herts. Keeps the Three Horse Shoes and saw William Harris at his house, describes the clothes he was wearing also a basket "like such as carpenters carry their tools in.... the basket was such a one as this".

[Oakum Picker]

No Peter, my search didn't bring up that variation of the name. If you wouldn't mind looking at that one too, I'd be grateful. Thanks.

[Peter Stenning]

I am off there today Glen.
So will look up all i can regarding the Grundon /Gruddon references , i will also take a look at the newspapers of the day to see if anything else can be gleamed from them at all.


Peter

[Oakum Picker]

That's very good of you Peter. Look forward to hearing from you later.

[Peter Stenning]

Having my first look at any trial material it was enlightening.


The trial was for larceny against William Harris & John Edmunds.
the Prosecutor was Edward Robinson who brought the case against the defendants.
Harris was often referred to in evidence as Harris the Black .

Constable Smith gave evidence that he saw Harris go into a hovel and take a close look at a hayrick in which were Pidgeons both live and dead,A bridal, a sack, and various other items .
Harris was seen to look around as the constable spied on him as he went to remove the cover the policman arrested Harris.
Shortly after in came Edmunds and he was arrested as an accomplice to Harris .
Evidence was given by Edmunds that he never knew or had met or seen Harris before. However Harris said that Edmunds was known to him .!

John Grundon gave evidence as follows;
I am the keeper of the Three Horsehoes at Langley Bottom, Herts.

' I saw William Harris the prisoner in the house at 8.00 in the evening of the 24 th April.
He was wearing Coarse Trousers, Turn up, and Blue Stockings, a dark coloured coat.
He had a basket like one a carpenter would carry his tools in, a bundle fixed with a strap .
His hands were blacker than his face. '


There was no reference to the outcome that i could find . there were no newspaper reports at that time in Bedfordshire the nearest paper was produced in Northampton .

[Oakum Picker]

Thanks very much for your time & trouble Peter. Makes a change for one of mine to be giving evidence; they're usually standing in the dock.

Sometimes makes me wonder how I turned out to be such an honest, upstanding citizen. LOL.

[Peter Stenning]

The good thing about that piece is you get an idea of the clothing they wore in those days at least the villians lol.

[Oakum Picker]

Yes, when my 4xg-gf was sentenced to death (later commuted to life transportation) for highway robbery he & his accomplices were identified by two witnesses by their clothing. However only my ancestor was committed to trial as it was too dark for the victim to see the features of his attackers but he recognised my ancestor's peculiar voice such as he had never heard before, even though he only said 'Ah, master'. There was no doubt he was guilty though as the constable found him in the Rose & Crown Hitchin spending a £10 note - an ag lab in 1832? not exactly the sharpest knife in the block. I must take after the other side of the family.

[Peter Stenning]

I will be going to the RO next week Wed 21 st Oct, and have some to look up allready anyone else needing info please post or PM me .

Regards
Peter

[Peter Stenning]

With reference to Val and George and the trial search they asked me to do .
Thomas Semains accomplice Hannah Hyde was sent to VDL via the ship Sir Robert Seppings on 17 th March 1852.

As the judge had recomended they be sent to different colonies to avoid them conspiring and as we know he was known under an alias as was she it may be harder to trace them .

How ever i cant find his transportation details yet.


Peter

[Brian78]

Hi

Its been a while since the last post but if you are going to be making a visit to the RO again could you please look up a possible birth for me.

I have found a Thomas Neather that could be my grans great grandfather having had a look at a the 1881 census it says he was born in Bedford Gloucestershire but im guessing this is a transcription error as im not aware of anywhere in Glos being called Bedford the nearest spelling in Glos is a place called Beckford. All I have is that he was born around 1795 before marrying in Gloucestershire in the 1820's. Ancestry tree matches have a possible mother of Lucy Slater and father Richard Neather again possibly Bedford people.

Thanks

[Peter Stenning]

Yes Brian,


I will take a look next visit which maybe Friday or Monday next week.

Going today 16 TH Dec


Peter

[Peter Stenning]

Brian78,
There is no birth in the Bedford area for Thomas Neather.

However further research lead me to beleive he was born in Gloucestershire.

On IGI it has shown the Marraige of ;-
Richard Nether to
Lucy Slatter
At Winchcomb Glos. 22nd June 1794.
Note that both are different spellings which maybe why they are not easy to find.

So i can confirm that there is no connection to Bedford.


Hope this helps
Peter
:xmas_sign:

[Brian78]

Thank you for looking Peter. I will be going to my local record office in the next week or so. I can now go armed with a little more info, maybe it is Beckford after all as thats not too far from Winchcombe.

Richard and Lucy are the furthest anyone in my family have ever got before so now I might be able to go further than anyone before and unlock more ancestors.

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Peter,

It's been a while so I don't know if you are still going to BLARS but if you are, would you look at some marriages for me please. I'm interested in fathers' names.

These are at Luton St Mary:
Charles MADDOCK Hannah SNOXALL 27/11/1865
James MADDOCK Mary Ann ODELL 6/11/1843
James LAWRENCE Anne MADDOCK 27/1/1845
William ROE Elizabeth MADDOCK 7/6/1852

At Barton Le Clay
William BUTCHER Sarah MADDOCK 5/11/1853
Also would you check if the groom was a widower in this one please: William MADDOCK Mary PRUDDEN 9/10/1830 Again at Barton.

Or as many as you have time for. TIA,

[Peter Stenning]

Hi Peter,

It's been a while so I don't know if you are still going to BLARS but if you are, would you look at some marriages for me please. I'm interested in fathers' names.

These are at Luton St Mary:
Charles MADDOCK Hannah SNOXALL 27/11/1865
James MADDOCK Mary Ann ODELL 6/11/1843
James LAWRENCE Anne MADDOCK 27/1/1845
William ROE Elizabeth MADDOCK 7/6/1852

At Barton Le Clay
William BUTCHER Sarah MADDOCK 5/11/1853
Also would you check if the groom was a widower in this one please: William MADDOCK Mary PRUDDEN 9/10/1830 Again at Barton.

Or as many as you have time for. TIA,

Hi Glen ,
Yes i will do that next week for you .


Peter

[Oakum Picker]

Thanks Peter.

[pat atkin]

Hi Peter
Are you still visiting the Bedford record offoc. I need info about biggleswade ancestors
Regards Pat

[Peter Stenning]

yes i am going this morning , if i miss you today i will probably go next week as well .


Peter

[Peter Stenning]

Hi Glen,

27/11/1865

Charles Maddock Bachelor, Labourer
Father-John Maddock,Lab
Hannah Snoxall Spinster
Father - William Snoxall
Witnesses
Gerorge Eyles
Sarah(Unreadable)


6/11/1843

James Maddock 19,Bachelor.Lab.
Father- William Maddock,Lab
Mary Ann Odell,20 Spinster
Father- Thomas Odell, Lab.
Witnesses
John Eyles
Hannah Wright

27/1/1845

James Lawrence,22,Bachelor Labourer
Father-Thomas Lawrence Lab.
Ann Maddock,21, Spinster,[ NOTE IS SAYS ANN]
Father- William Maddock,Lab

Witnesses
John Eyles
Mary Ann Maddock

7/6/1852

William Roe,41,Widower,Shoemaker
Father-John Roe,Shoemaker
Elizabeth Maddock,31,Spinster
Father-John Maddock

Witnesses
John [Ineligable]
Emma Bellingham


5/11/1858
William Butcher, Full Age,Bachelor
Father-John Butcher,Lab,
Sarah Maddock,Full Age,Spinster
Father- William Maddock

Witnesses
Richard Ward
Susan Maddock

9/10/1830
This record gives very little as its before 1837, but i can say the two witnesses were-

Samuel Ward
Elizabeth Prudden


Hope this is of some use to you .

Regards
Peter

[Oakum Picker]

That's absolutely brilliant Peter. Thanks very much indeed. I don't suppose for the last one you noticed if William was a batchelor or widower did you?

Thanks again. Your findings have confirmed some of my suppositions. Remember, I'm here if you ever need any Bucks or Suffolk lookups.

[Peter Stenning]

Hi Glen,

The last one i ran out of time to delve further and the image was so poor it was hard to read any of it . However i hope to return next week and will certainly take a longer delve for you .


Peter

[pat atkin]

Hi Peter
This new to me, what shall I do now ? do I. give you what info I have already. I'm still finding my way round the sight.
Regards Pat

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Peter,

Thanks for your efforts so far; I know the early entries don't always show the status but I'm trying to determine if the William mentioned is the same man in each case. This is only even a possibility of course if he is a widower when he marries in 1830.

[Peter Stenning]

Hi Peter
This new to me, what shall I do now ? do I. give you what info I have already. I'm still finding my way round the sight.
Regards Pat

Hi Pat ,
Yes i will need to know what info you are after ie. name of person whether you require marriage/birth/baptism/burial where these may have taken place, dates, etc

I can also see if there are any wills listed , newpaper articles , say court cases or well known local incidents.

Anything the local records office may have, just provide me with some details of what you know .


Peter

[pat atkin]

Hi Peter
Info that I have Henry Huckle b. abt 1819 Married Ann Knight b. abt 1821 at Biggleswade Church on the 17 November 1839 after Banns. According to the census both born at Biggleswade.
1841 census states they are living at Biggleswade with a Charles Huckle Father of Henry. Also on that census there is one child Betsy. I haven't found Betsy again with her family that moved to Enfield by 1861. (cant find them on the 1851 census) Betsy was baptised on the 7 June 1840 Mother and father Henry H. and Ann Knight.
I wonder if the Banns contain any more info on the parents of Ann and Henry. If church records say when Betsty was born and if she died an early age.?
Also any info on Ann Knights parents and sibblings, and Henrys parents. Any thing that you find I will be most grateful. Regards Pat

[Mary from Italy]

Hi Peter,

Could you do me a look-up next time you go? No rush at all.

I'd like confirmation of the following baptism, found on the IGI, and any additional info there might be on the register:

Puddington (Podington) Parish Chuch

BERNARDUS COTTON, son of Samuel and Eleanor
8 AUG 1665

I realise the registers may not be easy to read at that early date, so if it's too difficult to decipher, don't worry about it.

Thanks,
Mary

[pat atkin]

Hi Peter
Just wonderd If you got my info I sent you and if you have found anything yet
Regards Pat

[Peter Stenning]

Hi Pat ,
Sorry for the delay i have doing work placement and have not had time to get to get there , i will attempt to take a look soon , please bare with me.


Peter

[Christine in Herts]

Next time you're there - no rush, because it's been "hanging" for a while - I'd like to know what traces there are of the LANCASTER family in Chalgrave (near Dunstable).

My ancestors are John LANCASTER, and his wife, Sophia, née BRAY, m 16 May 1803, Dunstable
I have a copy of a document, addressed to Chalgrave from Dunstable, dated 10 Jul 1813 (ref: P114/16/3), which is to do with a removal order for this couple and their three daughters (at the time), Mary, Eliza and Emily.
Later children: Edwin bap 11 Apr 1814, Lucy bap 9 Apr 1817, Charles bap 24 Feb 1819, Sophia bap 25 Apr 1823, and William b 4 Jun 1826? bap 13 Oct 1826.

It would be interesting to know if there's any trace of the family in Chalgrave.

John was buried 8 May 1836, Dunstable, age 55 - but I don't know where he was born.
Sophia was buried 5 Feb1846, age 68, Dunstable, St Peter - but I know only that she wasn't born in Bedfordshire.

This isn't something to spend lots of time on. If nothing "leaps out", then it will have to wait until I can get there and do some trawling.

thanks
Christine

[scuda]

Hi Peter, I wonder if you could check on the baptisms of three members of the Cheshire family, please. IGI has Rosa Mary, Amy Frances, and Walter William CHESHIRE all baptised at Pavenham on 23 December 1877. As they would all have been more than a year old I'm hoping that birthdates will be included in the register.

Hope you can squeeze this request in when you get a chance to visit the RO.

scuda