Suffolk RO Lookups - Ongoing

[Oakum Picker]

I find I may have more opportunities to visit Lowestoft RO so have decided to offer an ongoing lookup service.

Add your requests to this thread but I do ask once again that they be fairly specific & give as much detail as possible. I'll always try to go the extra mile.

It will have to be mainly PR lookups unless the original documents are kept in Lowestoft. I shall still be visiting Ipswich 3 times a year but these may take longer as I don't go Oct- Mar.

I'll attempt each one in the order that I receive it.

[John-Nihon]

That's very kind of you Glen, just wish that some of my lot were in your area.

[jenoco]

I'm not likely to get there myself and appreciate the help you give. Following the information on my Balls family, can you please check the baptism of Samuel bc 1782 Worlingham and his wife Martha Howe, who, according to the census, was born Middleton circa 1775.
Thank you (again) Glen.

[Sherbertrose]

Hi Glen,

Would it be possible to see if there is a marriage for Francis Blundell (or derivatives) and Elizabeth c1770 Rattlesden. I think that George which you found for me was one of the older children so I would guess that the marriage would be around this time.

Thanks, Sandra

[Oakum Picker]

Jenny & Sandra,

I'll look into those, probably towards the end of the month.

[Oakum Picker]

Bumped for Malcolm

[MalcolmES]

Hi Glen, this is very kind of you to have an ongoing lookup for Suffolk Records Office.

On the last lookup you did for me you mentioned that.

Thomas SIMPER marries Lydia MARKWELL in Battisford in 1755 & go on to baptize 4 more children there between 1758-68.

Can you see if there is a marriage record for Thomas Simper and Lydia Markwell?

The children I have been given for them born in Battisford are Richard (1758-1761), John (1762-1762) and William (1765-1766). I’m not sure of the birth & death dates, can you check the dates please.

On one of the removal orders you found it mentions “For the REMOVAL of Thomas Simper, labourer, Lydia his wife, Lydia their daughter aged 21 yrs, and Poll their daughter aged 8 yrs, of Pakenham, now inhabiting the parish of Barking. May 7.” Can you see if there is anything on the two daughters?

Are there reference numbers for the two removal orders you found and can you tell me how I go about ordering them from Suffolk Records Office.

Thanks again
Malcolm

[Oakum Picker]

Malcolm,

Here are the doc. refs.
ORDER FL614/2368/7/16/32 1781
Contents:
For the REMOVAL of Sarah Simper, wife of Thomas Simper, junr., of Pakenham, and Thomas their son, now inhabiting the parish of Battisford.
November 16

ORDER FL614/2368/7/16/31 1781
Contents:
For the REMOVAL of Thomas Simper, labourer, Lydia his wife, Lydia their daughter aged 21 yrs, and Poll their daughter aged 8 yrs, of Pakenham, now inhabiting the parish of Barking.
May 7

And here's the Email: bury.ro@suffolk.gov.uk

They'll be able to tell you what you need to know. I'll check the other items for you.

[MalcolmES]

Thanks Glen I will go ahead and order the removal orders, then I will probably have more questions lol.:D

Malcolm

[Jen~Ealogy]

Wondered if you could find anything further on the Chandlers for me Glen?

Reason I ask is because what you got me off Suffolk RO is Brilliant but having looked at LDS, the Chandler's on there appear to be a generation further back, so possibly not my William's parents and sibs but may be grandparents.
It's all going to take some configuring.

So I thought it may proove useful to see if we could discover the names of the children of the previously mentioned children of Jonathan & Elizabeth i.e,

John Chandler & Rose Daniels married about 1780 Any children for them from 1780 onwards.

Edmund Chandler & Mary Morling married 1782 Their children from this date.

Henry Chandler & Mary Tovell married 1791. Their children from this date.

Samuel Chandler & Mary Betts married 1784. Their children from this date.

I believe you said they all had families in Cratfield Glen.

If you could find these for me Glen it may help to slot them all into place better.

Big order I know but won't mind when/however you can manage that Glen.

Many thanks in advance.:o

[Oakum Picker]

Wondered if you could find anything further on the Chandlers for me Glen?

Reason I ask is because what you got me off Suffolk RO is Brilliant but having looked at LDS, the Chandler's on there appear to be a generation further back, so possibly not my William's parents and sibs but may be grandparents.
It's all going to take some configuring.

So I thought it may proove useful to see if we could discover the names of the children of the previously mentioned children of Jonathan & Elizabeth i.e,

John Chandler & Rose Daniels married about 1780 Any children for them from 1780 onwards.

Edmund Chandler & Mary Morling married 1782 Their children from this date.

Henry Chandler & Mary Tovell married 1791. Their children from this date.

Samuel Chandler & Mary Betts married 1784. Their children from this date.

I believe you said they all had families in Cratfield Glen.

If you could find these for me Glen it may help to slot them all into place better.

Big order I know but won't mind when/however you can manage that Glen.

Many thanks in advance.:o

Your William's parents are Jonathan CHANDLER & Elizabeth WHITE m. 1797.

The other details I gave from Cratfield, I believe show Jonathan's baptism (1762) & that of his siblings to John & Elizabeth.

Now I have no absolute proof of this, only that Jonathan (1762) was not buried in Cratfield nor married or had a family there so quite possibly moved to Leiston. Also that Peter CHANDLER was a witness at Jonathan's wedding & Jonathan (1762) had a brother Peter.

There are hundreds of parishes which haven't been viewed so there may be other Jonathans as candidates.

I do have some of the 'siblings' children - I'll send what I have after dinner.

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Jen,

John & Rose
Edward/Edmund 1781
John 1783
Henry 1786
Bathsheba 1789?

Edmund & Mary
Edmund 1783
John 1785
Henry 1787
Sarah 1789?

Samuel & Mary
Mary 1785
Rose 1787
Edmund 1790
E/Amelia 1792
William 1794

Henry & Mary didn't have children in Cratfield.

[Jen~Ealogy]

Thanks for that Glen, I am trusting your info as its coming directly from source so will put a hold on LDS info for now as it may be u nreliable.

[Oakum Picker]

Which LDS info. are you referring to?

[Jen~Ealogy]

The following is listed on LDS as children of Jonathan & Elizabeths children Glen.......

Henry Bap 7/3/1756
Samuel Bap 17/2/1758
Elizabeth bap 2/12/1759
Jonathan bap 16/5/1762
William bap 22/4/1764
Thomas bap 14/9/1766
Rose bap 20/4/1778

Many of the same family names but years apart.......
All under Batch no. CO62922 Dates 1539-1812 F 6900891

Don't know if you can see why I'm confused Glen although I know this info is not always correct.

Unless these are Jonathan born 1762's parents and siblings?

[Christine in Herts]

Hello

Thank you for your kind offer.

Since all I know about Harison's PoB is that he was not born in Middx, my request isn't so much for a look-up, as for an "if you notice anything".

Har(r)is(s)on COCK was b 1784-5 not in Middx [using 1841 and his death D-cert Sep 1850]

His father was Thomas COCK, a musician [M-cert Jun 1841]. I did find this possibility for Thomas here:
1841HO107-1013-5fo10p4: age 75+; Street, Barningham, SFK
He has a wife (presumably) Hannah.

I shall have another try in Seax, in case Essex is his home ground. there are some plausible-looking records there, I believe. The family ends up in the SW - where COCK is not unusual - but I don't know whether that's because there was family there, or just because that's where the Navy took them.

Another FHS (I think) record I found was this:
Charles Harrison COCK Date of Birth or Bap – Age – Parish Lt Wratting, SFK Alt. – Where found Coggeshall, ESS Ref – Notes mar Lydia Unwin 5 Aug 1795 by lic

Christine

[Lin Fisher]

Hi Glen

Sorry but its me again with my Wroots.

To refresh, I have Rose, Sarah and Mary Wroots that I think could be sisters. I have found the deaths for Rose and Sarah but Mary married Samuel Clutton and found her on 1851 census with her born in Worlingworth.

2 years ago I went to stay with a distant cousin in Suffolk and she took me to Tannington looking for headstones for the Wroots but found nothing (we had reason to believe some had died there).

Worlingworth is the next village so could you please do bap records for both Tannington and Worlingworth.

Looking on the IGI there are a lot of Roots so perhaps it will be spelt that way.

Really grateful for all these look ups and thanks again.

[Oakum Picker]

The following is listed on LDS as children of Jonathan & Elizabeths children Glen.......

Henry Bap 7/3/1756
Samuel Bap 17/2/1758
Elizabeth bap 2/12/1759
Jonathan bap 16/5/1762
William bap 22/4/1764
Thomas bap 14/9/1766
Rose bap 20/4/1778

Many of the same family names but years apart.......
All under Batch no. CO62922 Dates 1539-1812 F 6900891

Don't know if you can see why I'm confused Glen although I know this info is not always correct.

Unless these are Jonathan born 1762's parents and siblings?

Those you have listed are the children of plain John & Elizabeth, not Jonathan & yes they are the siblings of Jonathan (1762). This is the same info. as in the PR.

Except I think Rose was bapt. 1776 & buried the next year.

[Jen~Ealogy]

Wow....thanks for confirming this Glen, thats another generation then. Thought they may have been possibles somewhere as they are direct from source too and not submitted.
Thanks again for all your help Glen, sorry to have been a pain.

[Oakum Picker]

Christine,

I'm not convinced that isn't COOK. I've looked at the SBI & the only burials in Barningham are pre-1800. But I'll certainly have a look for you: a COCK/HARRISON marriage would be helpful wouldn't it? LOL

[Oakum Picker]

But remember Jen, there's no concrete proof; it's circumstantial at best. I'd certainly pencil it in but not write it in blood just yet.

[Jen~Ealogy]

Yes will do Glen thanks again.

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Lin,

I'll certainly look there for you. As I've found Mary in Fressingfield, it looks as though she was buried there 26/10/1852 Aged 82.
Her daughter Mary Ann 20/8/1891 Aged 88
And Samuel 5/7/1824 Aged 68
His first wife appears to have been Ann who was buried 9/7/1801.
I'll check those for you.

[Christine in Herts]

Christine,

I'm not convinced that isn't COOK. I've looked at the SBI & the only burials in Barningham are pre-1800. But I'll certainly have a look for you: a COCK/HARRISON marriage would be helpful wouldn't it? LOL

The record I mention could be COOK, of course. The name I'm after is definitely* COCK.

A COCK/HAR(R)ISON marriage would be seriously interesting! :D

But - like I said - when all you have to go on is "not born in Middlesex", plus a likely DoB of 1784-5, you have rather a wide range to choose from! That being the case, I'm not expecting anyone to go hunting on my behalf for anything so vague. I'd just be grateful for people keeping a lookout for this relatively unusual name.

thanks
Christine

*using "definite" in the way you usually do in genealogy - i.e. not definite at all, I suppose!

[Jen~Ealogy]

Hi Glen, checking back over what you have found me, I can't seam to spot a year of birth for Edmund Chandler (the one who married Mary Morling).......so don't know where to place him. Did you happen on a year for him Glen as I am not picking him up on LDS.
Thanks.

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen, checking back over what you have found me, I can't seam to spot a year of birth for Edmund Chandler (the one who married Mary Morling).......so don't know where to place him. Did you happen on a year for him Glen as I am not picking him up on LDS.
Thanks.

Hi Jen,

John (son) & Edmund weren't baptised in Cratfield but if you enter John & Elizabeth as parents on the IGI, in addition to the Cratfield bunch, you get a John & Edmund baptised in Mendham.

This makes sense as there is a marriage in Mendham for John CHANDLER & Elizabeth MOTES which although a submitted entry, an exact date is given & fits with Elizabeth's burial in Cratfield in 1801 which gives her maiden name as MOUTTS.

I can check those out next time.

I know I was advising caution about Jonathan as it would appear he was about 35 when he married but had forgotten that his age at death fitted perfectly with the Cratfield baptism. All in all, I'd probably go for it.

[Jen~Ealogy]

Great Glen, I will make a note of that info and many thanks again.

[Sherbertrose]

Hi Glen,

Thank you. Sorry for not responding sooner but I have been away on my hols.

Back to reality now (sob).

Sandra

[Sherbertrose]

Hi Glen,

As soon as it is convenient and you have time could you see if you could find any information re Robert Rice and Mary Mulley. They married on the 7 Oct 1786 Elmswell. I do not have any information on either of their parents or siblings but would think they come from Elmswell or neighbouring parishes.

Many thanks, Sandra

[Oakum Picker]

If this weather continues I may not make it before the end of the month plus I have 4 airport trips 28, 3, 6 10 & the Proms on 31 but be assured all will be done when I am next there.

[Oakum Picker]

Sandra,

Are they the couple living in Norton in 1841 & die in '45 & '51?

[Sherbertrose]

Hi Glen, the couple definately show on the 1841 census. There is a possibility that Robert died in 1845. I am not sure when Mary died as there are a few possibilities.

Sandra

[jenoco]

Thanks for the update Glen. You'll certainly make it to the Records office before I can and I appreciate the help - not worried about the wait.

[Oakum Picker]

Definitely won't be this month but thought I'd bump it in case anyone else wants to add to it.

[MalcolmES]

Hi Glen, just to let you know I have just got copies of the removal orders for Thomas and Sarah Simper from the Suffolk RO. :)

On your next visit if you have time can you see if the examinations preceding the removal orders survived and how I would go about getting copies.

Thanks again for all your help.

Malcolm

[Oakum Picker]

Will do Malcolm

[Oakum Picker]

For Barbara.

[kylejustin]

what would the next largest parish near eye be? i dont know suffolk well, and was wondering where it would be plausible for james and hannah dove to marry.

[Oakum Picker]

Kyle

Did all the children end up in Essex? I see Joseph in Surrey. Do you have any other info. about the family. The most logical place for them to marry would be the wife's parish. It is strange how the children from another DOVE family in Eye also seem to end up in Essex.

I can look in a few contiguous parishes to start with.

[kylejustin]

thank you glen. i really dont know much about the family at all. i was thinking they married in hannah's home parish, but they dont seem to have made it to 1841, so its a bit difficult. i dont know what happened to the other children yet. except jesse is in essex in 1881, so it may be they went to essex as a family.

[Velma Dinkley]

Hi Glen,

I was wondering if you could look up a birth for me in the Kettleburgh register for a Hannah Aery (or Airey) who was born c1796. Her daughter, Harriet Holbrow's baptism is recorded there on 3rd April 1818, and I suspect that she returned to her mother in Kettleburgh to give birth to her first child.

Many thanks.

Rachel :)

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Rachel,

Will do.

[Velma Dinkley]

Thank you :)

[Sunny Rosy]

Hi Glen. Would Norton BTS be kept at Lowestoft or Ipswich RO, would you know? please.

sunny rosy

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Rosy,

I should think that the originals are probably at Bury St Edmunds. I did think that all 3 ROs carried microfilm copies but was told the reason I couldn't find any for Eye when I was in Lowestoft was because it wasn't in their area. However I don't think this is so as they had the Ipswich parishes.

To be honest I rarely use them as for every year you have to wind through every Deanery in alphabetical order & every parish in that Deanery - very time-consuming unless you have a definite year.

[Sunny Rosy]

thanks Glen will start at Bury

sunny rosy

[Oakum Picker]

I'm not likely to get there myself and appreciate the help you give. Following the information on my Balls family, can you please check the baptism of Samuel bc 1782 Worlingham and his wife Martha Howe, who, according to the census, was born Middleton circa 1775.
Thank you (again) Glen.

Worlingham

Samuel BALLS s. Samuel/Sarah 12/1/1783

Middleton

Martha HOW d. Thomas /Elizabeth 10/2/1782

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen,

Would it be possible to see if there is a marriage for Francis Blundell (or derivatives) and Elizabeth c1770 Rattlesden. I think that George which you found for me was one of the older children so I would guess that the marriage would be around this time.

Thanks, Sandra

Rattlesden

Francis BLUNDON botp Elizabeth MOORE sotp Banns 16/5/1768
Wit: Francis BLUNDON Philip WADE Only Philip signed.

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen, this is very kind of you to have an ongoing lookup for Suffolk Records Office.

On the last lookup you did for me you mentioned that.

Thomas SIMPER marries Lydia MARKWELL in Battisford in 1755 & go on to baptize 4 more children there between 1758-68.

Can you see if there is a marriage record for Thomas Simper and Lydia Markwell?

The children I have been given for them born in Battisford are Richard (1758-1761), John (1762-1762) and William (1765-1766). I’m not sure of the birth & death dates, can you check the dates please.

On one of the removal orders you found it mentions “For the REMOVAL of Thomas Simper, labourer, Lydia his wife, Lydia their daughter aged 21 yrs, and Poll their daughter aged 8 yrs, of Pakenham, now inhabiting the parish of Barking. May 7.” Can you see if there is anything on the two daughters?

Are there reference numbers for the two removal orders you found and can you tell me how I go about ordering them from Suffolk Records Office.

Thanks again
Malcolm

Sorry Malcolm - as stated elsewhere was in a bit of a rush & missed the marriage.

Battisford SIMPER

Baptisms
Richard s. Thomas/Lydia 21/9/1758
John s. Thomas/Lydia 3/5/1760
William s. Thomas/Lydia 7/6/1765
Mary d. Thomas/Lydia 29/5/1768

Burials
Richard s. Thomas/Lydia 5/8/1761
John s. Thomas/Lydia 6/6/1762
William s. Thomas/Lydia 28/4/1766

There was no sign of other children there. I checked Barking for the 2 girls - nothing but the Pakenham records at Lowestoft were on film so will check there next time.

Re: Examinations for the Removal Orders. I doubt they survived as most of the Poor Law Documents appear to be indexed at A2A but you would have to ask at Bury as that is where they'll be if they exist.

[Oakum Picker]

Hello

Thank you for your kind offer.

Since all I know about Harison's PoB is that he was not born in Middx, my request isn't so much for a look-up, as for an "if you notice anything".

Har(r)is(s)on COCK was b 1784-5 not in Middx [using 1841 and his death D-cert Sep 1850]

His father was Thomas COCK, a musician [M-cert Jun 1841]. I did find this possibility for Thomas here:
1841HO107-1013-5fo10p4: age 75+; Street, Barningham, SFK
He has a wife (presumably) Hannah.

I shall have another try in Seax, in case Essex is his home ground. there are some plausible-looking records there, I believe. The family ends up in the SW - where COCK is not unusual - but I don't know whether that's because there was family there, or just because that's where the Navy took them.

Another FHS (I think) record I found was this:
Charles Harrison COCK Date of Birth or Bap – Age – Parish Lt Wratting, SFK Alt. – Where found Coggeshall, ESS Ref – Notes mar Lydia Unwin 5 Aug 1795 by lic

Christine

Sorry Christine; wasn't able to look far. The Lt Wratting PRs were on film I think so will look when I have more time. As you have probably noticed Lt Wratting is on the Essex border & Barningham is near the Norfolk border.

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen

Sorry but its me again with my Wroots.

To refresh, I have Rose, Sarah and Mary Wroots that I think could be sisters. I have found the deaths for Rose and Sarah but Mary married Samuel Clutton and found her on 1851 census with her born in Worlingworth.

2 years ago I went to stay with a distant cousin in Suffolk and she took me to Tannington looking for headstones for the Wroots but found nothing (we had reason to believe some had died there).

Worlingworth is the next village so could you please do bap records for both Tannington and Worlingworth.

Looking on the IGI there are a lot of Roots so perhaps it will be spelt that way.

Really grateful for all these look ups and thanks again.

Worlingworth

Rose WROOTS d. John/Rose 29/10/1770
There was John 1773 & Robert 1776 but no Sarah or Mary.

They do appear to link with the Frances baptised in Wilby in 1780 though & the burials of a John & Rose there in 1824 & 1822.

Looked in Tannington -1st WROOTS John s. John/Elizabeth 1800

Looked in Metfield for Simon BALDRY - needless to say he wasn't there.

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen,

As soon as it is convenient and you have time could you see if you could find any information re Robert Rice and Mary Mulley. They married on the 7 Oct 1786 Elmswell. I do not have any information on either of their parents or siblings but would think they come from Elmswell or neighbouring parishes.

Many thanks, Sandra

Didn't manage this. I think they are more likely from Norton but those records are on film so will look next time.

[Oakum Picker]

thank you glen. i really dont know much about the family at all. i was thinking they married in hannah's home parish, but they dont seem to have made it to 1841, so its a bit difficult. i dont know what happened to the other children yet. except jesse is in essex in 1881, so it may be they went to essex as a family.

Sorry Kyle, as yours was a bit of a needle in a haystack & I was pushed for time I didn't get started but will next time.

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen,

I was wondering if you could look up a birth for me in the Kettleburgh register for a Hannah Aery (or Airey) who was born c1796. Her daughter, Harriet Holbrow's baptism is recorded there on 3rd April 1818, and I suspect that she returned to her mother in Kettleburgh to give birth to her first child.

Many thanks.

Rachel :)

Kettleburgh
Hannah AIRY d. Benjamin/ Hannah (GALL) 25/3/1795 Priv.

[Christine in Herts]

Thanks for keeping me in mind, Glen.

I'm not holding my breath - the whole situation is much too vague to be a "brick wall" but it's just as much of an obstruction!

Christine

[jenoco]

Thank you once again Glen!

[Sherbertrose]

Rattlesden

Francis BLUNDON botp Elizabeth MOORE sotp Banns 16/5/1768
Wit: Francis BLUNDON Philip WADE Only Philip signed.

Hi Glen,

Thank you for finding the marriage for me - the is is another piece of the jigsaw I can fit in place. lol.

Sandra

[Velma Dinkley]

Kettleburgh
Hannah AIRY d. Benjamin/ Hannah (GALL) 25/3/1795 Priv.

That's fantastic!! Thanks Glen :) :) :) :)

[SuffolkSue]

Originally Posted by Oakum Picker View Post
Kettleburgh
Hannah AIRY d. Benjamin/ Hannah (GALL) 25/3/1795 Priv


and the marriage from Boyds index.

1784 / GALL HAN / AIREY BEN / EARL SOHAM / SUFFOLK

[Velma Dinkley]

Thanks so much Sue :) :)

You've made my day :) :)

[Lin Fisher]

Hi Glen

Thanks for the Wroots look up. As you say they are all connected somehow but are very illusive.

I have Rose's bap now and will press on with Sarah as they were both my relations but as Mary was only mentioned as someones wife who was a executor on Rose's husbands will, I will forget her.

Thanks again.

[Oakum Picker]

Originally Posted by Oakum Picker View Post
Kettleburgh
Hannah AIRY d. Benjamin/ Hannah (GALL) 25/3/1795 Priv


and the marriage from Boyds index.

1784 / GALL HAN / AIREY BEN / EARL SOHAM / SUFFOLK

And here are the parents' burials.

Kettleburgh

Hannah AIRY 21/5/1833 Aged 79
Benjamin AIRY 23/2/1847 Aged 89

[Velma Dinkley]

That's brilliant, thank you so much Glen :) :) :) :)

[MalcolmES]

Hi Glen I just noticed your posts thanks for the information very much appreciated.

Malcolm

[Ashburnham]

Hi Glen

I wonder if you could look for the birth and parents of Mary Welton, Pettaugh 1768?

She is my direct maternal line, and as I am getting seriously into DNA genealogy now, I would like to try and push it a bit further back especially on the female line.

Thank you

Michael W (mtDNA - T1, Y-DNA- I1-uN1)

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Michael,

Have made a note - am in Lowestoft this weekend but not sure if I'll get into the RO. Will do it as soon as I am able.

[Ashburnham]

Thank you, Glen

[Joy Dean]

And now, to another branch of my mother's family :smilee: :-)

Amos Fletcher was born about 1811, he was from Charsfield, and had brothers called William and Richard. His parents are Lawrence and Mary. As far as I know, there are no other siblings. Could you see if you could find the marriage for Lawrence and Mary, please? Oh, and a baptism for Amos, too, please, if possible.


Also, please could you see if there is a baptism for:
Trelawny Fletcher who was born in Charsfield 18 February 1848.
He was registered as Troloner Randall Fletcher. NB from the Superintendent Registrar who has been very helpful: 'Troloner' is as the register and no doubt was the registrar's interpretation of "Trelawney" said with a regional dialect!.
His mother is Mary Sadd.


And, finally, please could you see if there is a burial record for:
Lydia Fletcher whose birth was registered September quarter 1850 Woodbridge District and she was christened in Nacton, 12 August 1850. Lydia died 1856 at 6 years of age, death registered September quarter 1856 Woodbridge District. In 1851, she was age 7 months in the Woodbridge Union Workhouse in Nacton with her mother and brothers. Her mother is Mary Sadd.


Oh, just one more, please, but don't worry if you can't find it - baptism for Philip Sadd who was born in 1760 and died April 1808.
What I know about him and his wife (whose surname I know from children's baptisms) is:
Philip Sadd married Mary Taylor in St Mary's, Benhall, 2 April 1779. Philip Sadd of the Parish of Farnham, singleman, and Mary Taylor of this Parish, singlewoman. Banns called Sunday 14 March, 21 March, 28 March 1779. Witnesses: Jacob Penn, WM Block.
Philip died April 1808 at 48 years of age. His body was interred 15 April 1808 in St Mary's, Farnham. Philip Sadd, married Man, age 48.
His parents are James and Susan Sad (née Chaplin formerly Hudson). James was a yeoman, of Benhall who died in 1787; according to his will, his son Philip Sad was a yeoman of the same parish and was his executor.

I have the baptism details for all their children including my great-great-great-grandfather Jonathan Sadd 22nd May 1791 - 4th May 1874 - you may have seen my mention of the gravestone for Jonathan and Sarah in St Andrew's Church, Little Glemham, and my following of the life of their daughter Mary Ann Dyball:-

"In affectionate memory of
JONATHAN SADD
who died May 4th 1874 aged 84 years.
Oh the sweet joy this sentence gives,
I know that my redeemer lives.
In affectionate memory of
SARAH SADD
who died February 7th 1852 aged 62 years.
We part in hope to meet again.
Erected by their daughter Mary Ann Dyball."


Thank you very, very much.

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Joy,

Fancy seeing you here.LOL I am off to Lowestoft again this weekend but it's social so probably won't get to this as I still have some left to do from the summer. However the following week, I'm 9-5 in Ipswich & 9-7 in Lowestoft ROs so hope to finish all outstanding requests.

[Oakum Picker]

And now, to another branch of my mother's family :smilee: :-)

Amos Fletcher was born about 1811, he was from Charsfield, and had brothers called William and Richard. His parents are Lawrence and Mary. As far as I know, there are no other siblings. Could you see if you could find the marriage for Lawrence and Mary, please? Oh, and a baptism for Amos, too, please, if possible.

SBI shows Amos was buried 30/8/1846 Charsfield
I'm assuming he was married to Mary SADD so was some chap RANDALL the children's father?

Amos & Mary buried an infant Nancy 20/3/1842 Charsfield

Mary Snr Widow was buried at Charsfield 22/5/1856 aged 76

Also, please could you see if there is a baptism for:
Trelawny Fletcher who was born in Charsfield 18 February 1848.
He was registered as Troloner Randall Fletcher. NB from the Superintendent Registrar who has been very helpful: 'Troloner' is as the register and no doubt was the registrar's interpretation of "Trelawney" said with a regional dialect!.
His mother is Mary Sadd.


And, finally, please could you see if there is a burial record for:
Lydia Fletcher whose birth was registered September quarter 1850 Woodbridge District and she was christened in Nacton, 12 August 1850. Lydia died 1856 at 6 years of age, death registered September quarter 1856 Woodbridge District. In 1851, she was age 7 months in the Woodbridge Union Workhouse in Nacton with her mother and brothers. Her mother is Mary Sadd.


Oh, just one more, please, but don't worry if you can't find it - baptism for Philip Sadd who was born in 1760 and died April 1808.
What I know about him and his wife (whose surname I know from children's baptisms) is:
Philip Sadd married Mary Taylor in St Mary's, Benhall, 2 April 1779. Philip Sadd of the Parish of Farnham, singleman, and Mary Taylor of this Parish, singlewoman. Banns called Sunday 14 March, 21 March, 28 March 1779. Witnesses: Jacob Penn, WM Block.
Philip died April 1808 at 48 years of age. His body was interred 15 April 1808 in St Mary's, Farnham. Philip Sadd, married Man, age 48.
His parents are James and Susan Sad (née Chaplin formerly Hudson). James was a yeoman, of Benhall who died in 1787; according to his will, his son Philip Sad was a yeoman of the same parish and was his executor.

I have the baptism details for all their children including my great-great-great-grandfather Jonathan Sadd 22nd May 1791 - 4th May 1874 - you may have seen my mention of the gravestone for Jonathan and Sarah in St Andrew's Church, Little Glemham, and my following of the life of their daughter Mary Ann Dyball:-

"In affectionate memory of
JONATHAN SADD
who died May 4th 1874 aged 84 years.
Oh the sweet joy this sentence gives,
I know that my redeemer lives.
In affectionate memory of
SARAH SADD
who died February 7th 1852 aged 62 years.
We part in hope to meet again.
Erected by their daughter Mary Ann Dyball."


Thank you very, very much.

Hope this helps.

[Joy Dean]

Thank you.

Yes, Mary married Amos in Little Glemham, 31 May 1841. Charsfield Banns 16 May, 23 May, 30 May 1841 - Amos Fletcher, bachelor of the parish of Charsfield and Mary Jane Sadd of the parish of Little Glemham, spinster.
Both were full age and single. He was a Bricklayer, of Charsfield, father - Lawrence Fletcher, deceased. She was Jane Sadd, of Little Glemham, father - John Sadd, Labourer. She signed "Mary Jeane Sadd". Witnesses were Richard and Hannah Fletcher.
Amos died 25 August 1846 in Charsfield. Cause of death: Phthisis, he was age 35, Bricklayer. The informant was his wife, Mary, present at the death, of Charsfield. His body was interred 30 August 1846 in Charsfield.

Yes, their first child was Nancy - born 1841. She was christened in Charsfield, 5 September 1841, daughter of Amos and Mary (Sadd Sp), bricklayer, Charsfield. Her body was interred 20 March 1842 in Charsfield. Infant, daughter of Amos and Mary Fletcher.


I didn't know the date of burial for Amos's mother, thank you for that.


Yes, I expect that Trelawney's father had the surname Randall but I wouldn't be surprised if Trelawney always thought that Amos was his father, and I won't disillusion him :smilee:


Here are Amos, Mary etc in 1841:
1841 census Bricklayer, age 25, with his brother Richard, Bricklayer, age 20, mother Mary, age 60, Richard's wife Hannah, age 20, wife Mary, age 20, William, age 15, Boundary Green, Chapel Lane, Charsfield.

Their children:

Nancy was christened in Charsfield, 5 September 1841. Daughter of Amos and Mary (Sadd Sp), bricklayer, Charsfield. Her body was interred 20 March 1842 in Charsfield. Infant. Daughter of Amos and Mary Fletcher.

William was christened in Charsfield, 16 September 1842. Son of Amos and Mary (Sadd Sp), bricklayer, Charsfield. William died 5 January 1872 at 29 years of age. His body was interred 9 January 1872 in Brockley Cemetery. Grave no. P693. Age 29, son of Amos Fletcher, bricklayer. Address of person who arranged burial - Reginald Street, St Paul's, Deptford. 1851 census age 9, Woodbridge Union Workhouse in Nacton. 1861 census Bricklayer, age 17, b Charsfield, at Paradise, Leiston. - NB - a boarder at the home of his aunt (his mother's sister) and uncle, Emma and Thomas Horn

Arthur was christened in Charsfield, 23 October 1844. Son of Amos and Mary Ann (Sadd Sp), bricklayer, Charsfield. Arthur died 1 February 1872 at 27 years of age. Registered March qr 1872, Poplar District, age 27.
His body was interred 5 February 1872 in Brockley Cemetery. Grave no. P693. Age 26, son of Amos Fletcher, bricklayer. Address of person who arranged burial - Reginald Street, St Paul's, Deptford. 1851 census age 6, Woodbridge Union Workhouse in Nacton. 1861 census age 16, with his mother and stepfather, and stepfather's daughter and mother, and brother Trelawny Fletcher, age 13, at 1 Reginald Street, St Paul's, Deptford.

NB Amos's brother Richard married Mary's sister Hannah :smilee: in Charsfield, 15 November 1840. Witnesses were Amos (signed) and Mary Fletcher (x).


Here is the inscription on the gravestone for Amos:

In Affectionate Memory
of
AMOS FLETCHER
WHO DIED AUGUST 23RD 1846
AGED 34 YEARS.
LORD LET ME YIELD IN PEACE MY BREATH
AND THY SALVATION SEE.
MY SINS DESERVE ETERNAL DEATH
BUT JESUS DIED FOR ME.
______________________

ALSO OF WILLIAM FLETCHER
WHO DIED JANUARY 5TH 1872 AGED 29 YEARS.
NOT DEAD BUT SLEEPETH.

ALSO ARTHUR BROTHER OF THE ABOVE
WHO DIED FEBRUARY 1ST 1872 AGED 29 YEARS.
WE PART IN HOPE TO MEET AGAIN.

AND ALSO TRELAWNEY THEIR BROTHER
WHO WAS DROWNED IN THE RIVER THAMES
APRIL 17TH 1863 AGED 15 YEARS.
IN THE MIDST OF LIFE WE ARE IN DEATH.

WILLIAM, ARTHUR AND TRELAWNEY
ARE INTERRED IN BROCKLEY CEMETERY.



Mary had a hard life, widowed young, and in the workhouse in 1851 with young children, but she had courage and fortitude and am sure that she was very caring; she managed somehow to get down to Deptford later and married John Dyball in 1856, and later had the thoughtfulness to have the gravestones inscribed for her first husband and for her parents.

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen, this is very kind of you to have an ongoing lookup for Suffolk Records Office.

On the last lookup you did for me you mentioned that.

Thomas SIMPER marries Lydia MARKWELL in Battisford in 1755 & go on to baptize 4 more children there between 1758-68.

Can you see if there is a marriage record for Thomas Simper and Lydia Markwell?
The children I have been given for them born in Battisford are Richard (1758-1761), John (1762-1762) and William (1765-1766). I’m not sure of the birth & death dates, can you check the dates please.

On one of the removal orders you found it mentions “For the REMOVAL of Thomas Simper, labourer, Lydia his wife, Lydia their daughter aged 21 yrs, and Poll their daughter aged 8 yrs, of Pakenham, now inhabiting the parish of Barking. May 7.” Can you see if there is anything on the two daughters?

Are there reference numbers for the two removal orders you found and can you tell me how I go about ordering them from Suffolk Records Office.

Thanks again
Malcolm

Finally remembered the marriage entry. Unfortunately the pre-printed form was not used just a one-line entry.
Thomas SIMPER Lydia MARKWELL both single 22/9/1755 Battisford.

The banns show that Thomas was of Pakenham & Lydia of Battisford.

After Thomas 1756 there were no other SIMPER baptisms in Pakenham.

I also found: Battisford
Lydia MARKWELL d. Richard/Lydia 1/11/1729
Also baptisms for a Mary, Thomas & Hannah if you want them.

Ipswich St Mary Stoke

Richard MARKWELL(s) of Badley Lydia SAYER(s) of the same 26/3/1727

[Oakum Picker]

Thanks for keeping me in mind, Glen.

I'm not holding my breath - the whole situation is much too vague to be a "brick wall" but it's just as much of an obstruction!

Christine

Finally checked both Barnigham & Lt Wratting but no sign of Harrison or indeed any COCKs in either.

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen,

As soon as it is convenient and you have time could you see if you could find any information re Robert Rice and Mary Mulley. They married on the 7 Oct 1786 Elmswell. I do not have any information on either of their parents or siblings but would think they come from Elmswell or neighbouring parishes.

Many thanks, Sandra

Elmswell

Robert RICE illegitimate son of Ann 24/1/1763
There were MULLEY families there but none had a Mary.

Norton

Mary MULLEY base born daughter of Mary 14/6/1767

[Oakum Picker]

what would the next largest parish near eye be? i dont know suffolk well, and was wondering where it would be plausible for james and hannah dove to marry.

They didn't marry in Stradbroke, I'll check the other contiguous parishes next week.

[Sherbertrose]

Elmswell

Robert RICE illegitimate son of Ann 24/1/1763
There were MULLEY families there but none had a Mary.

Norton

Mary MULLEY base born daughter of Mary 14/6/1767

Hi Glen,

Thank you for the information. What does base born mean? I have never come across this expression before!

Sandra

[Oakum Picker]

Originally Posted by Oakum Picker View Post
Kettleburgh
Hannah AIRY d. Benjamin/ Hannah (GALL) 25/3/1795 Priv


and the marriage from Boyds index.

1784 / GALL HAN / AIREY BEN / EARL SOHAM / SUFFOLK

Here's the PR entry:
Earl Soham

Benjamin AIREY sotp Hannah GALL sotp 12/10/1784
Wit: Elizabeth GOODWIN J???????s AIREY Couldn't read it. Only Elizabeth signed.

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen

I wonder if you could look for the birth and parents of Mary Welton, Pettaugh 1768?

She is my direct maternal line, and as I am getting seriously into DNA genealogy now, I would like to try and push it a bit further back especially on the female line.

Thank you

Michael W (mtDNA - T1, Y-DNA- I1-uN1)

Sorry, no WELTONs in Pettaugh in that time frame.

[Christine in Herts]

Finally checked both Barnigham & Lt Wratting but no sign of Harrison or indeed any COCKs in either.

Thank you, Glen. I'm grateful for your time and effort.

A no-result may not be what I wanted, but it does serve to eliminate one lot of records from future searches.

Christine

[jenoco]

Thank you for the continuing look-ups Glen. Can you please check baptisms in Henstead for me if you have time. According to the IGI (extracted), Matilda Wilson was baptised there 7 Mar 1813, daughter of Charles and Hannah Wilson. Could you kindly confirm and see if there are any siblings and possibly a marriage for Charles and Hannah.
Thanks again.

[Oakum Picker]

Thank you for the continuing look-ups Glen. Can you please check baptisms in Henstead for me if you have time. According to the IGI (extracted), Matilda Wilson was baptised there 7 Mar 1813, daughter of Charles and Hannah Wilson. Could you kindly confirm and see if there are any siblings and possibly a marriage for Charles and Hannah.
Thanks again.

Added to list, Jenny.

[Lensgirl]

Hi

I have also asked for a request for the Norfolk Records office, so apologies!!

could you confirm a father for a baptism - on LDS it states that the father of John Osborne born 1771 in Buxhall is Roger Osborne. on LDS i have also found a marriage for Roger Osborne and Ann Crick (aka Creek, Cryck etc) on 2nd June 1762 in Buxhall, but i cannot find Roger before or after this. Could you please take a look at Buxhall and see if there is any other reference to him (or anything on his marriage cert that might help)

If you are able to find any other info on the Crick family in Monks Eleigh i would be most grateful (pref wifes surname)

many thanks

[Oakum Picker]

Hi

I have also asked for a request for the Norfolk Records office, so apologies!!

could you confirm a father for a baptism - on LDS it states that the father of John Osborne born 1771 in Buxhall is Roger Osborne. on LDS i have also found a marriage for Roger Osborne and Ann Crick (aka Creek, Cryck etc) on 2nd June 1762 in Buxhall, but i cannot find Roger before or after this. Could you please take a look at Buxhall and see if there is any other reference to him (or anything on his marriage cert that might help)
If you are able to find any other info on the Crick family in Monks Eleigh i would be most grateful (pref wifes surname)

many thanks

Can do this.

This may be too time-consuming but which CRICK wife are we talking about?

[MalcolmES]

Hi Glen,

Sorry for the delay in answering, I lost the internet connection for a few days, been playing at installing Windows 7.

Yes I would like anything you can find on Markwell’s. I did see Richard and Lydia on the IGI but never made the connection.

Cheers
Malcolm

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen,

Sorry for the delay in answering, I lost the internet connection for a few days, been playing at installing Windows 7.

Yes I would like anything you can find on Markwell’s. I did see Richard and Lydia on the IGI but never made the connection.

Cheers
Malcolm

Here are the other MARKWELL baptisms in Battisford:
Mary 26/9/1731
Thomas 25/2/1734
Hannah 3/5/1736

If you have any other requests, I'm off again on Monday.

[Ashburnham]

thank you for trying Glen.

[MalcolmES]

Hi Glen,

Thank you for the information.

Malcolm

[Chris in Sussex]

Hi Glen

If I may take you up on your very kind offer.

A marriage at Cowlinge in 1878 between Edward Frost and Eliza Robinson.

I have my fingers crossed that Eliza's father is Scipio (or variant) Robinson.

Many thanks
Chris

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen

If I may take you up on your very kind offer.

A marriage at Cowlinge in 1878 between Edward Frost and Eliza Robinson.

I have my fingers crossed that Eliza's father is Scipio (or variant) Robinson.

Many thanks
Chris

Sorry Chris,

I didn't see your request until I returned yesterday. I don't have internet access whilst I'm away. I may be able to do it before Xmas but can't promise but I'll put it on the list for the next time I'm in Lowestoft.

[Chris in Sussex]

Hi Glen

Thank you.

Chris

[Oakum Picker]

And now, to another branch of my mother's family :smilee: :-)

Amos Fletcher was born about 1811, he was from Charsfield, and had brothers called William and Richard. His parents are Lawrence and Mary. As far as I know, there are no other siblings. Could you see if you could find the marriage for Lawrence and Mary, please? Oh, and a baptism for Amos, too, please, if possible.


Trelawny Fletcher who was born in Charsfield 18 February 1848.
His mother is Mary Sadd.


And, finally, please could you see if there is a burial record for:
Lydia Fletcher whose birth was registered September quarter 1850 Woodbridge District and she was christened in Nacton, 12 August 1850. Lydia died 1856 at 6 years of age, death registered September quarter 1856 Woodbridge District. In 1851, she was age 7 months in the Woodbridge Union Workhouse in Nacton with her mother and brothers. Her mother is Mary Sadd.


Oh, just one more, please, but don't worry if you can't find it - baptism for Philip Sadd who was born in 1760 and died April 1808.


Thank you very, very much.

No marriage for Laurence & Mary.

A baptism for Sarah FLETCHER 28/9/1806 shows Mary's name was GODBOLT

He appears to be Sarah's son. William s. Sarah Sp 21/3/1824

No baptism for Amos

No baptism for Trelawney

She wasn't buried in Nacton but I'm afraid Woodbridge District contains too many parishes to look further

No baptism for Philip in Benhall or Farnham

I don't know if you have these already. All Charsfield.
Laurence FLETCHER s. William/Mary 30/3/1783
Siblings: Sarah 15/8/1779 William 20/5/1781 Mary 16/4/1786

Burials All FLETCHER All Charsfield

Laurence marr. man 10/1/1823]
Mary 74 13/1/1827
Lydia 16 24/6/1832
Hannah 13 24/2/1833
Eleanor 8mths 30/3/1833
William 20 12/10/1833
Robert 19 10/11/1834
William 77 7/1/1834

Sarah appears to marry James PEMBERTON & they are having children in the 1830's.
A Jane FLETCHER marries George HEARN & they are having children in the 1840's.
A Charles & Rebecca FLETCHER are having children in the 1830's.

[Oakum Picker]

what would the next largest parish near eye be? i dont know suffolk well, and was wondering where it would be plausible for james and hannah dove to marry.

They didn't marry in Hoxne, Denham, Redlingfield, Occold, Thorndon, Braisewell, Yaxley, Brome, Thrandeston & Oakley.

I think I have to call a close on this one Kyle as I'm just searching blind & they could have married anywhere. If you ever get more information to give me direction I'll give it another go.

[Oakum Picker]

Thank you for the continuing look-ups Glen. Can you please check baptisms in Henstead for me if you have time. According to the IGI (extracted), Matilda Wilson was baptised there 7 Mar 1813, daughter of Charles and Hannah Wilson. Could you kindly confirm and see if there are any siblings and possibly a marriage for Charles and Hannah.
Thanks again.

Matilda's baptism is there with Charles as a wheelwright but there are no other baptisms 1803-23 & no marriage.

[Oakum Picker]

Hi

I have also asked for a request for the Norfolk Records office, so apologies!!

could you confirm a father for a baptism - on LDS it states that the father of John Osborne born 1771 in Buxhall is Roger Osborne. on LDS i have also found a marriage for Roger Osborne and Ann Crick (aka Creek, Cryck etc) on 2nd June 1762 in Buxhall, but i cannot find Roger before or after this. Could you please take a look at Buxhall and see if there is any other reference to him (or anything on his marriage cert that might help)

If you are able to find any other info on the Crick family in Monks Eleigh i would be most grateful (pref wifes surname)

many thanks

The register confirms the details you have.

The marriage shows both are of Buxhall, although the Banns say Ann is of Hitcham. Neither signed.
Although the date above the entry is 1762, the actual entry in words says 1763. The wits. were Thomas POOLE Edmund PEARL both signed.

There was no bapt. or bur. for Roger.

Not quite sure what you were after in Monks Eleigh!
Ann CREEK d. Nathaniel/Ann 15/4/1738
Nathaniel CRYCK Ann GILSON botp (L) 21/3/1738
Bur. Anne CREEK(W) of the workhouse in smallpox 22/2/1773
No burial for Nathaniel

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen I just noticed your posts thanks for the information very much appreciated.

Malcolm

Here's a bit more:
Lydia had a child before marrying Thomas
John MARTIN s. of John MARTIN & Lydia MARKWELL base born 10/10/1753
John MARTIN bur. 14/12/1753

[Lensgirl]

Thank you so much for looking

[Joy Dean]

Thank you very much for all your hard work.

[Velma Dinkley]

Here's the PR entry:
Earl Soham

Benjamin AIREY sotp Hannah GALL sotp 12/10/1784
Wit: Elizabeth GOODWIN J???????s AIREY Couldn't read it. Only Elizabeth signed.

Only just seen this... thanks Glen :)

[MalcolmES]

Thanks Glen, :smilee:now that’s bit of information I never expected was the birth in Battisford?

[jenoco]

Thanks for looking Glen.

[kylejustin]

thank you glen. if i ever find something i will let you know.

[Joy Dean]

My cousin Alf Girling will be here soon to ask for help :smilee:

[alfred girling]

If possible could you lookup Ebenezer Elex Girling, born Great Glemham 1796, died 1854 Plomesgate, ( Aldeburgh ? ) married Sarah Packard Benhall 1820.
I only need info re Eber as ok with Sarah.

Regards Alf Girling

[Oakum Picker]

Alf,

I am visiting Suffolk next weekend but only for a couple of days so unlikely to get to the RO. If you are in no hurry, I'll certainly look for Ebenezer in the New year.

[alfred girling]

Any time that suits you Glen, I appreciate your help.

Regards Alf

[Oakum Picker]

There was nothing in Gt Glemham for GIRLING. I also checked Lt Glemham in case there was a mix-up but again no luck. I then looked at Benhall. There were GIRLINGs there from 1770s to 1792. If there is anywhere else you'd like me look let me know.


If possible could you lookup Ebenezer Elex Girling, born Great Glemham 1796, died 1854 Plomesgate, ( Aldeburgh ? ) married Sarah Packard Benhall 1820.
I only need info re Eber as ok with Sarah.

Regards Alf Girling

[alfred girling]

Glen,

That's not good new's. My cousin found him i don't know how, He has him born Great Glemham, his wife Sarah Packard was born Little Glemham, I found her fathers grave there.
I was thinking that next time I come over I will go to Ipswitch ro, so what can I do now, hope you have an answer. thank's Glen, all the best.

alf

[alfred girling]

Glen,

That's not good new's. My cousin found him i don't know how, He has him born Great Glemham, his wife Sarah Packard was born Little Glemham, I found her fathers grave there.
I was thinking that next time I come over I will go to Ipswitch ro, so what can I do now, hope you have an answer. thank's Glen, all the best.

alf

[Oakum Picker]

Alf,

The 1851 Census shows him as born in Glemham aged 55. Is this where your info. comes from? Was John his eldest child as the chap having children in Benhall was a John? Any likelihood that he was non-conformist? Do you have a copy of the marriage? If not I can have a look at that to see if there is anything there to help but being pre-1837 there won't be a lot.

[Sherbertrose]

Hi Glen,

Last summer you very kindly found the marriage of George Blundell and Elizabeth Newman. Could I ask if you could look for a baptism for Elizabeth. I think she would be born c1773 (based on the age of her husband). Her husband was baptised and the marriage took place in Rattlesden. If you are able to find a possible baptism I would also appreciate the names any siblings of Elizabeth.

I know you do not go to Suffolk very often at this time of year - there is no rush they have been a long time dead a few more months isn't going to make any difference!!

Many thanks, Sandra

[Oakum Picker]

I'll have a look next time Sandra.



Hi Glen,

Last summer you very kindly found the marriage of George Blundell and Elizabeth Newman. Could I ask if you could look for a baptism for Elizabeth. I think she would be born c1773 (based on the age of her husband). Her husband was baptised and the marriage took place in Rattlesden. If you are able to find a possible baptism I would also appreciate the names any siblings of Elizabeth.

I know you do not go to Suffolk very often at this time of year - there is no rush they have been a long time dead a few more months isn't going to make any difference!!

Many thanks, Sandra

[alfred girling]

Glen,

He probably got the info from the census,I can check. John was his eldest born 1826 Benhall. The marriage info was through the Packard side. I'm afraid as you say pre 1837 makes it hard.He had 8 children and I have found families for six of them but none of them have anything on Eber. He was married 14/3/1820 Benhall and was down as a widower.He died 1854.Plomesgate which covers a lot of area. As he was only a farm labourer, no wills And couldn't find a grave stone. i was told his wife was on the church after he died.Thank's again Glen,all the best.

Alf

[Sheila from Down Under]

Good Morning Oakum Picker from Tropical North Queensland, I am trying to push the Souter side of my tree back as far as I can, I have got to James Souter Born c1781 in Cockfield Suffolk . According to the www site The People of Cockfield he was married to Martha Crick in Cockfield in 1801 and had 7 children. Is it possible you could find anything more out of James, I don't know if this father & mother's name would be in the records or where where they came from. It sounds a lot but if you could help I'll think you are up for saint hood
Thanks
Sheila :o

[Oakum Picker]

I'll have a look at Cockfield for you Sheila the next time I'm there which may not be for another month or so but I always check here before I go.


Good Morning Oakum Picker from Tropical North Queensland, I am trying to push the Souter side of my tree back as far as I can, I have got to James Souter Born c1781 in Cockfield Suffolk . According to the www site The People of Cockfield he was married to Martha Crick in Cockfield in 1801 and had 7 children. Is it possible you could find anything more out of James, I don't know if this father & mother's name would be in the records or where where they came from. It sounds a lot but if you could help I'll think you are up for saint hood
Thanks
Sheila :o

[Sheila from Down Under]

:good: Good Morning Glen from the hot and sticky North Queensland, Thank you for that, it is very good of you . In case I miss you could I ask you please to pm me when you have been ? I would not want you to think me rude and ignore you .
Regards
Sheila ;o)

[wulliam]

Hi Glen! Thanks for your kind offer - I've finally (possibly) made it over the border from Norfolk into Suffolk.

The IGI (extracted records) show Robert Hawes christened 2 Sep 1744 to parents Thomas & Ann in Walsham-le-Willows, Suffolk. His siblings appear to be:

John (chr. 1746) Mary (49) William (53) Hannah (57) Thomas (62) James (64) John (65) Robert (67) William (69)

If you're able to view the original register (transcription if you can't) then I'd be glad of answers to these:

1) Did any of these die young? For instance, Did Robert christened 1744 die before Robert (1767) was born?
2) Did the mother Ann die, say 1755-63, and then Thomas remarry another Ann?
3) Did Ann die 1785-90? If so (and don't worry about this too much as it may take too long) are you able to find out if there was a will?
4) More generally, what is the quality of the film like? Does it include baptisms, marriages AND burials? What dates? If the answers to (1) - (3) are what I want to hear then I may buy my own copy of the film for long term research.

I realise I'm asking quite a lot there. If it's too much, please take them in order and stop when you've had enough.

Thanks again for the offer!

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen! Thanks for your kind offer - I've finally (possibly) made it over the border from Norfolk into Suffolk.

The IGI (extracted records) show Robert Hawes christened 2 Sep 1744 to parents Thomas & Ann in Walsham-le-Willows, Suffolk. His siblings appear to be:

John (chr. 1746) Mary (49) William (53) Hannah (57) Thomas (62) James (64) John (65) Robert (67) William (69)

If you're able to view the original register (transcription if you can't) then I'd be glad of answers to these:

1) Did any of these die young? For instance, Did Robert christened 1744 die before Robert (1767) was born?
2) Did the mother Ann die, say 1755-63, and then Thomas remarry another Ann?
3) Did Ann die 1785-90? If so (and don't worry about this too much as it may take too long) are you able to find out if there was a will?
4) More generally, what is the quality of the film like? Does it include baptisms, marriages AND burials? What dates? If the answers to (1) - (3) are what I want to hear then I may buy my own copy of the film for long term research.

I realise I'm asking quite a lot there. If it's too much, please take them in order and stop when you've had enough.

Thanks again for the offer!

Hi William,

My next 3 day research trip is in March so all requests will get done by then but I do manage to get the odd hour in the RO on other trips. All Suffolk PRs are on fiche so you would probably only need a few for the time-span although I see the submitted entries on the IGI go way back.

Did your CRICKMOREs ever cross the border? I've been looking for my gg-gf for 10 years. You don't have a Henry born anytime between 1799 & 1810 who disappears do you? Although in all probability he just wasn't baptised.

[wulliam]

Hi Glen,

thanks for your quick response.


All Suffolk PRs are on fiche so you would probably only need a few for the time-span.

If the link is confirmed then Robert is a almost certainly a 'gateway' ancestor taking me back to c1200...so I'd want the whole lot! Judging by the Suffolk RO, the registers for Walsham-le-Willows are transcriptions on fiche or the originals on film. I'd rather have the latter - and believe that, although not ideal, I could view it on my fiche-reader. But I'm getting ahead of myself there!


Did your CRICKMOREs ever cross the border? I've been looking for my gg-gf for 10 years. You don't have a Henry born anytime between 1799 & 1810 who disappears do you?
My most modern Crickmore was born c1730 - she married into the Millatt family...totally Norfolk as far as I can see. A quick FreeREG search for Henry Crickmore in Norfolk at that time finds just one: Sarah daur of Henry & Sarah Crickmore was baptised 10 Sep 1817 in the parish of Ellingham. He's a little young to be likely though...and you've probably seen him already. You can see my Crickmore's at http://wulliam.co.uk/2genealogy/fam392.html if you wish.

[Oakum Picker]

Judging by the Suffolk RO, the registers for Walsham-le-Willows are transcriptions on fiche or the originals on film. I'd rather have the latter - and believe that, although not ideal, I could view it on my fiche-reader. But I'm getting ahead of myself there!

I can't find what exactly the RO has for sale online & I don't think I've looked at Walsham but I have looked at a couple of hundred of the others & certainly in Ipswich & Lowestoft they are on fiche except for an odd register or 2 which were too large for filming for fiche & several parishes are together on one film. Transcripts of the parishes are available on film & are a good place to start for some of the early records which are still difficult to read even when you know they are there. BTs are an absolute No-No as they are filmed yearly in alphabetical order of Deanery & alphabetical order of parish within that Deanery & of course they are on film.

Still, I'll get back to you in due course with what I've been able to find.

[james collins]

Hi
Any chance of a look up when you are next in the archives? (I am in Greece so it’s hard to get over there.)
I am looking for:
Marriage of Joseph Rice to an Ann ? around 1825, in the Groton area
Birth of that Joseph Rice 1799/1800 in Hadleigh (father James, mother unknown)
And birth of James Rice 1781, same area
Any details concerning James and/or Joseph Rice would be much appreciated. If it helps: Joseph’s daughter Mary Ann Rice (b 1827) married a Jesse Farthing Nov 1850 in Great Waldingfield, Suffolk
Thank you
James

[SuffolkSue]

Hi
Any chance of a look up when you are next in the archives? (I am in Greece so it’s hard to get over there.)
I am looking for:
Marriage of Joseph Rice to an Ann ? around 1825, in the Groton area
Birth of that Joseph Rice 1799/1800 in Hadleigh (father James, mother unknown)
And birth of James Rice 1781, same area
Any details concerning James and/or Joseph Rice would be much appreciated. If it helps: Joseph’s daughter Mary Ann Rice (b 1827) married a Jesse Farthing Nov 1850 in Great Waldingfield, Suffolk
Thank you
James



From the Suffolk Marriage Index.

Joseph Rice, widower of Groton
Ann Ponder

7th January, 1824 = Gt. Cornard.

[james collins]

Thank you for that.
J

[Oakum Picker]

Hi
Any chance of a look up when you are next in the archives? (I am in Greece so it’s hard to get over there.)
I am looking for:
Marriage of Joseph Rice to an Ann ? around 1825, in the Groton area
Birth of that Joseph Rice 1799/1800 in Hadleigh (father James, mother unknown)
And birth of James Rice 1781, same area
Any details concerning James and/or Joseph Rice would be much appreciated. If it helps: Joseph’s daughter Mary Ann Rice (b 1827) married a Jesse Farthing Nov 1850 in Great Waldingfield, Suffolk
Thank you
James

Hi James,

I can see if there are any useful details on the original of the marriage that Sue found for you.

As there are no Indices for baptisms the only way they can be found is by searching through each Parish Register which would be very time-consuming so this is why I ask for specific parishes. Also telling me of any info. you've already found is useful. I see from the 1851 Census that as you said Joseph was born in Hadleigh & the IGI shows a baptism there for Joseph son of James & Ceziah/Keziah? 27/9/1800.

The 1851 also shows James as born Edwardstone so I'll check there for you.

There are burials for Keziah in Groton 24/9/1830 aged 55 & in Gt Waldingfield James 11/6/1858 aged 84 & Joseph 4/4/1873 aged 73.

Anyway I'll do what I can but it probably won't be until March.

[james collins]

Thank you Glen, that is very kind of you.

I am also trying to find out of this Joseph was in fact the father of a Mary Ann Rice, the info I have found would suggest so but would it be too cheeky for me to also ask if a marriage register could be checked?

Mary Ann Rice (bapt. Grotton 22nd April 1827) married to Jesse Farthing on 2nd November 1850, Great Waldingfield, Suffolk. If there is any other information there to support the theory that Joseph was her father, it would be another breakthrough.

James

[Oakum Picker]

Thank you Glen, that is very kind of you.

I am also trying to find out of this Joseph was in fact the father of a Mary Ann Rice, the info I have found would suggest so but would it be too cheeky for me to also ask if a marriage register could be checked?

Mary Ann Rice (bapt. Grotton 22nd April 1827) married to Jesse Farthing on 2nd November 1850, Great Waldingfield, Suffolk. If there is any other information there to support the theory that Joseph was her father, it would be another breakthrough.

James

I can certainly check that for you James.

[james collins]

Many thanks
James

[ozgirl]

Hi Glen,

On my OH's tree I have a James Mallett, born 1801 in Orford, Suffolk. I am trying to find out who his parents were. There seemed to be a few Mallett families in Orford at that time, and it is not a very big place, so the odds are they might be related. I think his parents might be either Robert (b.1771) and Sarah Mallett, or Jonathan (B.1760) and Rebecca Mallett. James Mallett married Catherine Knights of Orford in 1826.

Any information gratefully received, thanks very much.

Linda

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen,

On my OH's tree I have a James Mallett, born 1801 in Orford, Suffolk. I am trying to find out who his parents were. There seemed to be a few Mallett families in Orford at that time, and it is not a very big place, so the odds are they might be related. I think his parents might be either Robert (b.1771) and Sarah Mallett, or Jonathan (B.1760) and Rebecca Mallett. James Mallett married Catherine Knights of Orford in 1826.

Any information gratefully received, thanks very much.

Linda

Hi Linda,

I'll check those out for you but probably not until March.

[ozgirl]

Thanks Glen that's great, whenever you can get round to it.

Linda

[Laurence]

Hi Glen,
If you have time, I would be grateful if you can find the following births to confirm the actual dates & places:

John Driver (my gt-grandfather) born Westhall or Holton 1833 - 1835. I have a christening date of 26 Jan 1834 (IGI) but his gravestone gives an age of 47 at death in July 1882.

Henry Driver (John's father) born Blyford (?) about 1799 (christened 28 Jan 1799 Holton (IGI) if this is the right one)

Isabel Driver (John's daughter) born Westhall 1865 ? (age 5 in 1871 census) (christened 25 Dec 1865 - IGI)

Thanks very much.
Laurence.

[ayse]

Dear Glen
My G?? Grandmother Harriot Smith born or christened 25/5/1828 Monk Soham, Suffolk. I believe her parents were Samuel Smith and Phaebe Noble born 1781 Monk Soham. Is there anything either in Harriot's chr. or birth details that would give a lead as to who this Samuel Smith could have been. Any info on Samuel Smith born about 1800, Harriot's father or anything else about his family would be great.

Thank you for the offer. I know it's first come etc.

Ayse

[fran]

Thank you for the offer.if you have the time could you please look for the baptisms of;
John PRYKE born Great Cornard 1794 give or take a year.
Elizabeth Everard born Glemsford 1797 +/-
Fran

[Sherbertrose]

Hi Glen,

Please could you see if you can find Elizabeth Reeve born c1746 Market Weston. She married Thomas Ruddock in 1768 Market Weston.

Also, if time allows, John Ruddock and Mary Clears married c1742 (possibly Market Weston). They had the following children (although this information is from a submitted entry on igi and only offers the year of birth no christening dates), I think: John 1739, Mary, 1745, Thomas 1748, Richard 1748, Hannah 1755, and Jonathon 1757 again may be Market Weston but on the other hand might not! I am not expecting miracles on this one!!

Sandra

[Oakum Picker]

Noted, Laurence, Ayse, Fran & Sandra.

[Breckland Jane]

Hi Glen,

If you have time, could you please look for the baptism of James Harden in Lackford about 1778 (the family name later changed to Harding but I'm fairly sure it will be Harden at this time), also any siblings if it's not too much to ask for.

Many thanks, Jane

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen,

If you have time, could you please look for the baptism of James Harden in Lackford about 1778 (the family name later changed to Harding but I'm fairly sure it will be Harden at this time), also any siblings if it's not too much to ask for.

Many thanks, Jane

Noted, Jane.

[Oakum Picker]

Good Morning Oakum Picker from Tropical North Queensland, I am trying to push the Souter side of my tree back as far as I can, I have got to James Souter Born c1781 in Cockfield Suffolk . According to the www site The People of Cockfield he was married to Martha Crick in Cockfield in 1801 and had 7 children. Is it possible you could find anything more out of James, I don't know if this father & mother's name would be in the records or where where they came from. It sounds a lot but if you could help I'll think you are up for saint hood
Thanks
Sheila :o

I searched the Cockfield Register from 1785 back to 1775 but there was nothing. I did notice a baptism for Martha CRICK in 1775 so went back a further 5 yrs but there were no SOUTERs during that period.
I don't know if you have these:
Martha CRICK William/Martha 5/12/1775
A William was a witness on the marriage entry. Also in Cockfield, buried:
William CRICK 84 19/3/1826
Martha CRICK 82 31/3/1835

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen! Thanks for your kind offer - I've finally (possibly) made it over the border from Norfolk into Suffolk.

The IGI (extracted records) show Robert Hawes christened 2 Sep 1744 to parents Thomas & Ann in Walsham-le-Willows, Suffolk. His siblings appear to be:

John (chr. 1746) Mary (49) William (53) Hannah (57) Thomas (62) James (64) John (65) Robert (67) William (69)

If you're able to view the original register (transcription if you can't) then I'd be glad of answers to these:

1) Did any of these die young? For instance, Did Robert christened 1744 die before Robert (1767) was born?
2) Did the mother Ann die, say 1755-63, and then Thomas remarry another Ann?
3) Did Ann die 1785-90? If so (and don't worry about this too much as it may take too long) are you able to find out if there was a will?
4) More generally, what is the quality of the film like? Does it include baptisms, marriages AND burials? What dates? If the answers to (1) - (3) are what I want to hear then I may buy my own copy of the film for long term research.

I realise I'm asking quite a lot there. If it's too much, please take them in order and stop when you've had enough.

Thanks again for the offer!

I'm not sure if what I've found is of much use to you but here goes.

1) Did not appear to.
2) Not in this register.
3) 1783 is a possibility but 1789 would have been too old to be the mother. I searched the available resources & there was nothing but wills are so complex, I'd give the RO a call.
4) The film is basically good although some parts are difficult to read but I didn’t notice any blank pages. Genealogical Society Library Ref: 952204 SRO-BU Ref: J552/17
Starts with Tuddenham St Mary , then Walsham-Led-Willows
Bapt. 1539-1839 Marriage 1539-1837 Banns 1754-1812 Burials 1539-1856 There are also Terriers for several years .

Walsham-Le-Willows
Robert 2/9/1744
Mary 8/3/1747
John 11/6/1749
James 25/8/1751
William 30/12/1753
Hannah 23/1/1757
Thomas 20/6/1762
James 11/3/1764
John 3/8/1765
Robert 11/10/1767
William 14/5/1769
Mary Ann bb of Hannah 14/5/1780
Francis & Mary having children in 1760s
Samuel & Faith having children in 1780/90s
Buried
Ann 9/7/1747
Wife of Robert 5/9/1754
Robert inf 19/1/1763
Jonathan 16/8/1771
Thomas 15/10/1773
Robert 15/9/1783
Ann widow 23/9/1783
Mary sp 18 17/11/1786 prob. d Francis/Mary
Ann relict of Thomas 84 23/12/1789
Thomas mm 68 8/11/1805

Jonathan HAWES W Ann RANDALL Banns 19/10/1764
Wit: Thomas RANDALL William MORLEY Tom & Will signed
Samuel HAWES S Margaret MARSH S Banns 5/11/1770
Wit: ??????? FROST William MORLEY Only Will signed
William MANNING S Hannah HAWES Banns 12/10/1786
Wit: William MORLEY Francis C????stead Will & Francis signed

A Robert & William were having children early 1700s.

[Oakum Picker]

Hi
Any chance of a look up when you are next in the archives? (I am in Greece so it’s hard to get over there.)
I am looking for:
Marriage of Joseph Rice to an Ann ? around 1825, in the Groton area
Birth of that Joseph Rice 1799/1800 in Hadleigh (father James, mother unknown)
And birth of James Rice 1781, same area
Any details concerning James and/or Joseph Rice would be much appreciated. If it helps: Joseph’s daughter Mary Ann Rice (b 1827) married a Jesse Farthing Nov 1850 in Great Waldingfield, Suffolk
Thank you
James

Gt Waldingfield
Jesse FARTHING 29 B Lab Lindsey Robert dec. Lab
Mary RICE 23 S - Gt Waldingfield Joseph Lab
Wit: James RICE Hannah RICE None signed

Groton
Mary RICE Joseph/Anne Groton Lab. 22/4/1827
Keziah Rice bur. Groton 55 24/9/1830
Joseph RICE W of Groton Ann PONDER S otp Banns 7/1/1824
Wit: Thomas PRIGG George PONDER Only Tom signed

Hadleigh
Joseph RICE James/Ceziah 27/9/1800

I had a look in Edwardstone for James as that is his bp in 1851 but nothing so I went back to Groton
James RICE Isaac/Grace 4/10/1777
Not conclusive as it’s not an uncommon name but later on the film:
Isaac RICE James/Keziah b. 2/12/1811 bapt. 8/12/1811 admitted into church 12/1/1812.

There is also a marriage at Stoke by Nayland which could be Joseph’s 1st marriage
Joseph RICE Sarah SMITH 28/7/1822. This was in the marriage index but I forgot to look at the register for any other details.

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen,

On my OH's tree I have a James Mallett, born 1801 in Orford, Suffolk. I am trying to find out who his parents were. There seemed to be a few Mallett families in Orford at that time, and it is not a very big place, so the odds are they might be related. I think his parents might be either Robert (b.1771) and Sarah Mallett, or Jonathan (B.1760) and Rebecca Mallett. James Mallett married Catherine Knights of Orford in 1826.

Any information gratefully received, thanks very much.

Linda

There was no baptism for a James MALLETT in Orford c.1800. His marriage entry had a John MALLET as a witness, neither signed.

The only John was baptised to a Brady & Susan in 1790 & to the same couple a Jonathan in 1794. As you said at the same time Jonathan & Rebecca & Robert & Sarah were baptising children.
Sarah's maiden name was KNIGHTS. I assume you have Catherine's baptism.

[ozgirl]

Many thanks Glen - I can see I'll have to get my thinking cap on again. I wonder if Sarah and Catherine were related?! I don't have Catherines Baptism yet - I may get on to you again some time:)

Thanks again

Linda

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen,
If you have time, I would be grateful if you can find the following births to confirm the actual dates & places:

John Driver (my gt-grandfather) born Westhall or Holton 1833 - 1835. I have a christening date of 26 Jan 1834 (IGI) but his gravestone gives an age of 47 at death in July 1882.

Henry Driver (John's father) born Blyford (?) about 1799 (christened 28 Jan 1799 Holton (IGI) if this is the right one)

Isabel Driver (John's daughter) born Westhall 1865 ? (age 5 in 1871 census) (christened 25 Dec 1865 - IGI)

Thanks very much.
Laurence.

Here are the entries in the PRs. No birth dates were recorded.
Holton St Peter
John DRIVER Henry/Elizabeth Holton Lab. 26/1/1834

Henry Briggs DRIVER Nathaniel/Elizabeth (BRIGGS) 28/1/1799

Don't know if you have this.
Nathaniel DRIVER S Husbandman Elizabeth BRIGGS S botp Banns 22/4/1783
Wit: James WADE Rachel GODFREY All made their mark.

Westhall

Isabel Elizabeth DRIVER John/Elizabeth (WOODARD) Westhall Farmer 25/12/1865

[Oakum Picker]

Dear Glen
My G?? Grandmother Harriot Smith born or christened 25/5/1828 Monk Soham, Suffolk. I believe her parents were Samuel Smith and Phaebe Noble born 1781 Monk Soham. Is there anything either in Harriot's chr. or birth details that would give a lead as to who this Samuel Smith could have been. Any info on Samuel Smith born about 1800, Harriot's father or anything else about his family would be great.

Thank you for the offer. I know it's first come etc.

Ayse

I'm not sure if I've messed up your request or not. I checked Harriott's baptism & then the marriages of the 2 Samuel SMITHs to see if the witnesses would help to indicate who was who. Matthew NOBLE was a witness on your Samuel's entry which confirms Phoebe but then I don't know if I looked for Samuel SMITH baptisms & couldn't find any or just forgot to look.

Checking the 1861 Census though, I see he is down as being born in Bedingfield so I'll check both places next time.

[Oakum Picker]

Many thanks Glen - I can see I'll have to get my thinking cap on again. I wonder if Sarah and Catherine were related?! I don't have Catherines Baptism yet - I may get on to you again some time:)

Thanks again

Linda

Orford

Catherine KNIGHTS John/Sarah (MOOR) b. 21/5/1803 bapt. 1/1/1804

[ozgirl]

Ooh, thanks very much Glen, that's great.

Linda

[Oakum Picker]

Thank you for the offer.if you have the time could you please look for the baptisms of;
John PRYKE born Great Cornard 1794 give or take a year.
Elizabeth Everard born Glemsford 1797 +/-
Fran

Gt Cornard

John PRYKE J?????/Ann (RUDDOCK) 31/8/1794 Wouldn't bet my life on the date.

Glemsford

Elizabeth EVERID Abraham/Mary 21/5/1797

Abraham EVERIT B Mary HARTLEY S Banns 14/12/1793
Wit: John JOHNSON James TWIN Only John & James signed

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen,

Please could you see if you can find Elizabeth Reeve born c1746 Market Weston. She married Thomas Ruddock in 1768 Market Weston.

Also, if time allows, John Ruddock and Mary Clears married c1742 (possibly Market Weston). They had the following children (although this information is from a submitted entry on igi and only offers the year of birth no christening dates), I think: John 1739, Mary, 1745, Thomas 1748, Richard 1748, Hannah 1755, and Jonathon 1757 again may be Market Weston but on the other hand might not! I am not expecting miracles on this one!!

Sandra

Market Weston

No sign of Elizabeth REEVE.

John RUDDOCK Mary CLEERS 29/12/1742

John the illegitimate son of John RUDDOCK/Mary CLEARS 20/5/1739
Mary 23/6/1745
Richard & Thomas 20/11/1748
Hannah 5/5/1754 - 17/5/1754
Jonathan 10/4/1757

Buried

Mary RUDDOCK wife John 16/7/1765
John RUDDOCK 14/9/1800 A good innings if this is correct.

I believe John remarried in 1769 to Mary DISSDEL a widow of Hopton. Didn't take down full details as didn't know first Mary died at the time.

Do you have the Norton burials for Tom & Liz?

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen,

If you have time, could you please look for the baptism of James Harden in Lackford about 1778 (the family name later changed to Harding but I'm fairly sure it will be Harden at this time), also any siblings if it's not too much to ask for.

Many thanks, Jane

Lackford

HARDEN The first child has parents William & Judith; the rest William & Dinah.
Ann 26/4/1772
John 20/3/1774
Thomas 10/3/1776
James 8/3/1778
Charles 9/6/1780
Alice 12/1/1783

Burials
Dinah 74 1/9/1815
William 87 23/11/1827
James 83 8/7/1860

[fran]

Thank you so much Glen.Very kind of you.
Fran

[Sherbertrose]

Hi Glen,

Thanks for the information. You managed to find more information than I expected. I do have the burials for Tom and Liz.

Sandra

[Laurence]

Thanks very much Glen for the DRIVER info. Some new details and others confirmed.

Laurence.

[Breckland Jane]

Thank you so much Glen. That confirms what I suspected - that William was married twice, but I didn't know which children belonged to which wife and there are two children I didn't know about.

Jane

[Sherbertrose]

Hi Glen,

Next time you go to Suffolk Records Office would you follow up the possible second marriage of John Ruddock and Mary Dissdel c1769.

Many thanks, I really do appreciate all your research.

Sandra

[fran]

Glen,
Can I be a pest and ask you if J..... Pryke had that many letters in his name,or did you put a random number of dots?
Thanks
Fran

[wulliam]

I'm not sure if what I've found is of much use to you but here goes.

1) Did not appear to.
2) Not in this register.
3) 1783 is a possibility but 1789 would have been too old to be the mother. I searched the available resources & there was nothing but wills are so complex, I'd give the RO a call.
4) The film is basically good although some parts are difficult to read but I didn’t notice any blank pages. Genealogical Society Library Ref: 952204 SRO-BU Ref: J552/17
Starts with Tuddenham St Mary , then Walsham-Led-Willows
Bapt. 1539-1839 Marriage 1539-1837 Banns 1754-1812 Burials 1539-1856 There are also Terriers for several years .

James,

thanks for your time and very detailed response. There are some very useful pointers in what you say - will think about it more deeply over the weekend.
I hope you had some success of your own!

[Oakum Picker]

Sandra,

Shall do although it probably won't be until June/July.

Fran

The rest of the word just wasn't there. I felt the gap was too big to be John but I really have no idea. I looked at the fiche in Lowestoft; I'll see if the Ipswich copy is more legible next time.

[fran]

Thank you very much Glen.
Fran

[ayse]

Dear Oakum Picker

Thank you for the information - at least it verifies to a degree my findings that I most likely have the right Pheobe. Thank you so much for the offer of looking for Samuel in Beddingfield next time you are in the vicinity.
All the best
Ayse

[ayse]

Dear Oakham Picker

I've found on line the following:http://www.archive.org/details/registersofparis00monkrich

Samuel Smith says he is born about 1800, whereas I found a christening for Phaebe on 17/12/1781 - it seems a very large age gap - I wonder if he was telling the truth on the census? I found Phaebe on 1851 - aged 50. I'm wondering if they are the same. I'll trawl through the book above and see if I can find anything else.

Ayse

[Sheila from Down Under]

Ii did say I would put you up for Saint hood. Consider it done.
Many thanks
Sheilafromdownunder

[ayse]

I'm not sure if I've messed up your request or not. I checked Harriott's baptism & then the marriages of the 2 Samuel SMITHs to see if the witnesses would help to indicate who was who. Matthew NOBLE was a witness on your Samuel's entry which confirms Phoebe but then I don't know if I looked for Samuel SMITH baptisms & couldn't find any or just forgot to look.

Checking the 1861 Census though, I see he is down as being born in Bedingfield so I'll check both places next time.

I found a copy of the Monk Soham parish registers on-line written in about 1920 - no witnesses though. I've checked through all the Smith and Noble entries. No birth of a Samuel of the right age so Bedingfield would seem a good bet, thank you. Just a little more. Samuel may have had two sisters, Ann and Emma (born c.1800) as the samplers are purported to have come from this family. I don't know if this would help at all?

I have a query about Phaebe. I found a burial in the Parish registers (Monk Soham) for a Phaebe Noble aged 4 in 1785. No further births for a Phaebe in Monk Soham. From all the census, I think both the Smith and Noble families were agricutural labourers which meant they probably moved around the area for work. I am fairly satisfied ( as much as you can be) that Phaebe was the daughter of Matthew but born later and not christened in Monk Soham (unless she was not his daughter but some other relative). I also found a burial in Monk Soham for a Phaebe Smith on 16th May 1874 aged 79 making her born c. 1795. I've checked the IGI for other births to Matthew and Ann but the nearest is in Lincolnshire. There are also large gaps (still births?) between 1789-1794 and 1795-1798 for the other chhildren. Any help you can give is very gratefully received.

I think you are doing a smashing job.

All the best

[Oakum Picker]

I found a copy of the Monk Soham parish registers on-line written in about 1920 - no witnesses though. I've checked through all the Smith and Noble entries. No birth of a Samuel of the right age so Bedingfield would seem a good bet, thank you. Just a little more. Samuel may have had two sisters, Ann and Emma (born c.1800) as the samplers are purported to have come from this family. I don't know if this would help at all?

If I find an Ann & an Emma in Bedingfield in addition to Samuel that would most definitely indicate that he is the correct one but not finding them wouldn't prove that he wasn't.


I have a query about Phaebe. I found a burial in the Parish registers (Monk Soham) for a Phaebe Noble aged 4 in 1785. No further births for a Phaebe in Monk Soham. From all the census, I think both the Smith and Noble families were agricutural labourers which meant they probably moved around the area for work. I am fairly satisfied ( as much as you can be) that Phaebe was the daughter of Matthew but born later and not christened in Monk Soham (unless she was not his daughter but some other relative). I also found a burial in Monk Soham for a Phaebe Smith on 16th May 1874 aged 79 making her born c. 1795. I've checked the IGI for other births to Matthew and Ann but the nearest is in Lincolnshire. There are also large gaps (still births?) between 1789-1794 and 1795-1798 for the other chhildren. Any help you can give is very gratefully received.

Yes, I saw the Phaebe burial but as Matthew is a witness on the marriage I also think it's the correct family. It's possible that the Isabel 1794 becomes Phaebe -I have loads who change their names, or as you say, she was baptised elsewhere. I could check the Suffolk Marriage Index next time because if she married it would probably be after 1813.

A generation earlier, a Thomas & Ann NOBLE are baptising children, a Mark in 1750 & another in 1755 with no death inbetween. From his age at death Matthew would fit very nicely with the 1755 child. That could be a transcription error - I'll check next time. The only fly in the ointment is that Thomas & Matthew don't use the same names for their children.

[ayse]

Yes I know what you mean about fly in the ointment. Many families handed down names of children and has specific orders of doing this eg. Father named first child (male)after his father, first girl child after mother's mother, etc. I found this sort of activity good in tracking down the most likely family to which a child belongs.
Yes, I too have this Thomas and Ann as parents to a Matthew Noble. I have re-checked the online baptismal register and found the following; Mark son of Thomas/Ann bap.24/6/1750; Noel son Thos/Ann 30/6/1754; Mark son of Thos/Ann bap 10/8/1755; Rebecca d of Thos/Anne bap 19/8/1759; Samuel s. Thos/ Ann bap 8/3/1761; Edward son Thos/Ann bap 18/11/1764. Noel buried 9/9/1754. I haven't found a burial for either of the Marks.

I had a quick look at the names of Matthew and Ann's children. Samuel seems to be the first boy child followed by James and William. IGI doesn't seem to have a death for Mark Noble at all (at least not at this check).

Thank you for your help in advance

Ayse

[ayse]

I had another look at the register and there was a Noble born Brandison so this parish may be worth a look.

Samuel Smith - I found a reference to Samuel Smith married to Elizabeth Barker in Bedingfield on 10/5/1803 so there were certainly Smiths in the area at that time.

Thank you again

Ayse

[Little Nell]

Dear OP

If you are able, I would be chuffed if you could check for a baptism:
for a Frances Carter in Peasenhall.
In 1841 census she has birth year of 1789
In 1851 a birth year of 1791.

I'm hoping there won't be that many baptisms in Peasenhall.

Many thanks.

[Oakum Picker]

Nell

Have added you to my list. Next scheduled trip is June/July but may be able to do it sooner.

[Little Nell]

Many thanks!

[Oakum Picker]

There is also a marriage at Stoke by Nayland which could be Joseph’s 1st marriage
Joseph RICE Sarah SMITH 28/7/1822. This was in the marriage index but I forgot to look at the register for any other details.

This was in the Stoke-by-Nayland register.
Joseph RICE botp Sarah SMITH sotp Banns 28/7/1822
Wit: Daniel MANN Mary Ann WILSON Joseph made his mark.

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen,

Next time you go to Suffolk Records Office would you follow up the possible second marriage of John Ruddock and Mary Dissdel c1769.

Many thanks, I really do appreciate all your research.

Sandra

I went back to the Market Weston registers but was unable to find the marriage. As Mary was from Hopton I thought I'd look there but nothing. There was this baptism:
Mary d. Mary DISDELE 8/1/1767

I then thought about the Banns & this was where I obviously saw it first time round. I went back to the Market Weston registers & found the entry but the banns were only read twice 25/6/1769 & 2/7/1769 so the marriage may not have taken place.
I don't know if this is relevant:
John RUDDOCK W Mary SHICKELL W Banns 20/9/1781
Wit: John SMITH Michael CLEARES John made his mark & Michael was a witness to many of the marriages.

[Oakum Picker]

Dear Oakum Picker

Thank you for the information - at least it verifies to a degree my findings that I most likely have the right Pheobe. Thank you so much for the offer of looking for Samuel in Beddingfield next time you are in the vicinity.
All the best
Ayse

Bedingfield
Samuel s. John SMITH & Elizabeth (SAGE) 31/8/1795 I think.

In 1805 a 5 yr old Samuel was buried. The register was illegible in places.

John SMITH sotp Elizabeth SAGE sotp Banns 16/10/1780
Wit: Richard SAGE John SMITH Only the SMITHs signed.

John & Elizabeth also had the following children John, Syer, Maria, Jane, Robert, Henry, Elizabeth, Rachel, Mary, Susan & William but no Ann or Emma.

I checked the Monk Soham registers & the baptism in 1755 was definitely for a Mark NOBLE so if it is an error it's in the register not in the transcription.

I also checked the Marriage Index for Hoxne but there was no marriage for Isabella - I didn't get any further.

[ayse]

Bedingfield
Samuel s. John SMITH & Elizabeth (SAGE) 31/8/1795 I think.

In 1805 a 5 yr old Samuel was buried. The register was illegible in places.

John SMITH sotp Elizabeth SAGE sotp Banns 16/10/1780
Wit: Richard SAGE John SMITH Only the SMITHs signed.

John & Elizabeth also had the following children John, Syer, Maria, Jane, Robert, Henry, Elizabeth, Rachel, Mary, Susan & William but no Ann or Emma.

I checked the Monk Soham registers & the baptism in 1755 was definitely for a Mark NOBLE so if it is an error it's in the register not in the transcription.

I also checked the Marriage Index for Hoxne but there was no marriage for Isabella - I didn't get any further.

Thank you for having a look, I really do appreciate your time. I think I will have to look into the other Smith family that is knocking around in my tree and is the only other possibility at the moment. None of those names appear later in my tree although I do recollect that there is a Syer Smith in Monk Soham later on. As it is such a strange name I would bet that John and Elizabeth were his parents so I may look back at the parish record transcript I found on-line and see if I can link any Smiths to these folk. Process of elimination can sometimes help.

Thank you again for looking

All the best

Ayse

[Oakum Picker]

Dear OP

If you are able, I would be chuffed if you could check for a baptism:
for a Frances Carter in Peasenhall.
In 1841 census she has birth year of 1789
In 1851 a birth year of 1791.

I'm hoping there won't be that many baptisms in Peasenhall.

Many thanks.

Unfortunately there were no CARTERs in Peasenhall during that period. There are LARTERs & CHARTENs but neither baptised a Frances.

[tugman]

Glen are you still going to Lowestoft record office please.
Ellen Brown late Lower

Hi all
Does anybody have access to St John's church Lowestoft baptist records please.
Looking for possible marriage of Ellen Lower to Henry/Frederick Brown.
We know they had a daug Kate birth reg 1867 Lowestoft parents Henry & Ellen Brown late Lower.
They also had a daug Emma 1866 & son Frederick 1869 both born Lowestoft,yet no record of their births. At the time of reg. birth of Kate, Ellen states they are residing Denmark Rd,Lowestoft & Henry is a joiner.
Did the three children also get baptised there.
On the marriage certs of Emma & Kate both give fathers name as Frederick Brown a journeyman & the other says he is deceased.
There is nothing found on Freebmd for marriage of this couple or the births of Emma or Frederick.
In 1871 Emma & Frederick are staying at Sarah Prettyman's,she is a nursey school teacher. They are still there in 1881 now as Emma & Frederick Prettyman. Kate is a servant in a shop.
I think the surname Lower could also be spelt as Low or Lowe.
Many thanks for any help.
Noel

[Oakum Picker]

Glen are you still going to Lowestoft record office please.
Ellen Brown late Lower Noel

I hope to get there at the end of the month but as it's holiday I can't promise anything. I do normally manage to grab the odd hour or so in the RO though.

[Jen~Ealogy]

Glen, next time you are at the record office, could you possibly see if you can find marriages for the following please?

Mary Chandler born 1799 Leiston Suffolk
John Chandler born 1801 Leiston Suffolk
Sarah Chandler born 1803 Leiston Suffolk.

Possible marriage date/s around 1820's

Sorry I can't furnish any more info Glen.

[Oakum Picker]

Glen, next time you are at the record office, could you possibly see if you can find marriages for the following please?

Mary Chandler born 1799 Leiston Suffolk
John Chandler born 1801 Leiston Suffolk
Sarah Chandler born 1803 Leiston Suffolk.

Possible marriage date/s around 1820's

Sorry I can't furnish any more info Glen.

Have made a note, Jen.

[Jen~Ealogy]

Many thanks Glen.

[DgJay]

Glen, next time you are at the RO could you please do a lookup for me.

I have a marriage for Ernest C Blake to Millicent R Sadd ( dated qtr Sep 1951, Blyth vol 4b page 92 ).
It should, I hope, have been a marriage at St John the Baptist Saxmundham, problem I have is that I cannot find any birth for the said lady, can't find her on any census, so am assuming she might have been born after 1911.
If you could check to find her age, address and father etc it would start me going in a direction.
Many TIA
Dave

[Oakum Picker]

Dave,

I don't think they have records that are that recent but I'll see what I can find.

[DgJay]

Glen
Many thanks
Dave

PS everything is crossed

[Oakum Picker]

Posted for Geoff Browne


Hi Glen,

Thanks so much for kindly offering Suffolk RO lookups. I wonder if you could possibly do a lookup for me next time you are in the RO ?

I am trying to find a baptism in Newmarket for Anne Oakeman BARTON on 18th Dec 1748. Her father was James BARTON and mother probably Elizabeth Oakeman Kemp. A lookup would be very much appreciated.

If you could possibly spare the time and an index is available, her siblings were:-

James BARTON (b. after 1740, when parents married)
Mary BARTON (b.1747)
Elizabeth BARTON (1750)

There is a suggestion that they might have been baptised in Freckenham as that was where they lived, but the concensus seems to be Newmarket for the baptisms.

Very much appreciate any help you might be able to give and if you even need any lookups in Exeter, I'm your man !!!

All the very best,
Geoff Browne.

[Tippin]

Hi Glen,

If you get a chance, could you please lookup a Christening and a marriage for me?

The christening is for Lydia Last, who would have been born around 1796 in either Stowmarket or Stowupland.
The marriage would be for Lydia parent's, who at the moment I have no idea who they would be.

Thanks for any help in advance,
Tippin

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen,

If you get a chance, could you please lookup a Christening and a marriage for me?

The christening is for Lydia Last, who would have been born around 1796 in either Stowmarket or Stowupland.
The marriage would be for Lydia parent's, who at the moment I have no idea who they would be.

Thanks for any help in advance,
Tippin

Shall see what I can do, Tippin

[Tippin]

Shall see what I can do, Tippin

Thanks for the help Glen.

[Sherbertrose]

Hi Glen,

Adam Wright and Mary Clark married 23 Mar 1761(Elmswell). If you have time would it be possible to see if you can find possible christening and parents of the couple.

Many thanks, Sandra

[Oakum Picker]

Glen are you still going to Lowestoft record office please.
Ellen Brown late Lower

Hi all
Does anybody have access to St John's church Lowestoft baptist records please.
Looking for possible marriage of Ellen Lower to Henry/Frederick Brown.
We know they had a daug Kate birth reg 1867 Lowestoft parents Henry & Ellen Brown late Lower.
They also had a daug Emma 1866 & son Frederick 1869 both born Lowestoft,yet no record of their births. At the time of reg. birth of Kate, Ellen states they are residing Denmark Rd,Lowestoft & Henry is a joiner.
Did the three children also get baptised there.
On the marriage certs of Emma & Kate both give fathers name as Frederick Brown a journeyman & the other says he is deceased.
There is nothing found on Freebmd for marriage of this couple or the births of Emma or Frederick.
In 1871 Emma & Frederick are staying at Sarah Prettyman's,she is a nursey school teacher. They are still there in 1881 now as Emma & Frederick Prettyman. Kate is a servant in a shop.
I think the surname Lower could also be spelt as Low or Lowe.
Many thanks for any help.
Noel

The Lowestoft St John records don't start until 1869. I looked at St Margaret's but there was no marriage or baptisms. I also looked there for the baptisms of Frederick/Henry & Ellen.

Where was Kate in 1871? Why do you think all 3 children had the same parents? Are there witnesses in common?

[Oakum Picker]

Glen, next time you are at the record office, could you possibly see if you can find marriages for the following please?

Mary Chandler born 1799 Leiston Suffolk
John Chandler born 1801 Leiston Suffolk
Sarah Chandler born 1803 Leiston Suffolk.

Possible marriage date/s around 1820's

Sorry I can't furnish any more info Glen.

I was trying to do a bit for everyone today in case I don't go in again this trip. I looked yours up in the 1813- 1837 Marriage Index but didn't get round to the originals. That will be first on the list next time.

John CHANDLER/ Jemima LONG Leiston/Sizewell 4/11/1834
Sarah CHANDLER/ Charles CHASE Leiston/Sizewell 17/4/1821
There was a Mary Ann marrying in Walpole to Thomas MORSE of Cookley 12/6/1826

May be able to tell more from the originals.

[Oakum Picker]

Glen, next time you are at the RO could you please do a lookup for me.

I have a marriage for Ernest C Blake to Millicent R Sadd ( dated qtr Sep 1951, Blyth vol 4b page 92 ).
It should, I hope, have been a marriage at St John the Baptist Saxmundham, problem I have is that I cannot find any birth for the said lady, can't find her on any census, so am assuming she might have been born after 1911.
If you could check to find her age, address and father etc it would start me going in a direction.
Many TIA
Dave

As I suspected the records have not been filmed although the originals are at Ipswich. I don't know when I shall be there next so it may be easier to get the certificate.

Are these Suffolk people. Could Millicent have been married before?

Millicent R CLARKE m. Frederick T SADD Sep Qtr 1937 Barnet Middx
Frederick T SADD died 1937 Barnet Middx

[Oakum Picker]

Posted for Geoff Browne


Hi Glen,

Thanks so much for kindly offering Suffolk RO lookups. I wonder if you could possibly do a lookup for me next time you are in the RO ?

I am trying to find a baptism in Newmarket for Anne Oakeman BARTON on 18th Dec 1748. Her father was James BARTON and mother probably Elizabeth Oakeman Kemp. A lookup would be very much appreciated.

If you could possibly spare the time and an index is available, her siblings were:-

James BARTON (b. after 1740, when parents married)
Mary BARTON (b.1747)
Elizabeth BARTON (1750)

There is a suggestion that they might have been baptised in Freckenham as that was where they lived, but the concensus seems to be Newmarket for the baptisms.

Very much appreciate any help you might be able to give and if you even need any lookups in Exeter, I'm your man !!!

All the very best,
Geoff Browne.

Newmarket All Saints
Anne BARTON d. James/Elizabeth of Wood-ditton 23/12/1748
Elizabeth BARTON d. James/Elizabeth of Wood-ditton 22/8/1744

I noticed a marriage for a James to a Margaret c. 1750 but didn't know if it was significant.

Thought I'd look for the other two baptisms in St Mary's but couldn't see them. However James & Margaret were baptising children & there was a burial there:
Elizabeth BARTON wife of James 18/6/1749

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen,

If you get a chance, could you please lookup a Christening and a marriage for me?

The christening is for Lydia Last, who would have been born around 1796 in either Stowmarket or Stowupland.
The marriage would be for Lydia parent's, who at the moment I have no idea who they would be.

Thanks for any help in advance,
Tippin

Stowupland
Lydia LAST d. Henry/Lydia(GODBOLT) 8/2/1797

Stowmarket
Henry LAST W otp Lydia GODBOLD sotp Banns 11/10/1795
Wit: Thomas BALLS Martin ENEFER. Henry & Lydia made their marks.

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen,

Adam Wright and Mary Clark married 23 Mar 1761(Elmswell). If you have time would it be possible to see if you can find possible christening and parents of the couple.

Many thanks, Sandra

Missed out today Sandra but will do it if I get in again.

[Oakum Picker]

Glen, next time you are at the record office, could you possibly see if you can find marriages for the following please?

Mary Chandler born 1799 Leiston Suffolk
John Chandler born 1801 Leiston Suffolk
Sarah Chandler born 1803 Leiston Suffolk.

Possible marriage date/s around 1820's

Sorry I can't furnish any more info Glen.

Had a look at the registers, Jen.

Leiston
John CHANDLER botp Jemima LONG sotp Banns 4/11/1834
Wit: Jonathan CHANDLER Maria NICHOLLS The CHANDLERS both signed

Charles CHASE sotp Sarah CHANDLER sotp Banns 17/4/1821
Wit: Thomas TAYLOR John CHANDLER Sarah & Thomas signed

This doesn't look like one of yours unless you recognise the witnesses.
Walpole
Thomas MORSE s of Cookley Mary Ann CHANDLER sotp Banns 12/6/1826
Wit: Ann Elizabeth MORSE Robert Blyth WATTS All signed

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen,

Adam Wright and Mary Clark married 23 Mar 1761(Elmswell). If you have time would it be possible to see if you can find possible christening and parents of the couple.

Many thanks, Sandra

There were one or two John WRIGHTs having children with Lydia & Margaret but no Adam & a Joseph & Elizabeth CLARK having children but no Mary.

Here are the full details of the marriage:
Adam WRIGHT sotp Mary CLARK sotp Banns 23/3/1761
Wit: John WRIGHT Samuel HOWELL John & Samuel signed

[Sherbertrose]

Hi Glen,

Thank for the info. It is getting really frustrating now as I am left with the ancestors which are hard to pin down. However, it would seem that John Wright is likely to be a family member, I would guess either brother or father.

I really appreciate your continued help. I do not live near Suffolk so with out your help I wouldn't even have this info.

Sandra

[Jen~Ealogy]

Very many thanks Glen, that's so good of you. I don't suppose I can be 100% certain of any of them but, I will keep a note of them all for now. I do appreciate it Glen.

[Tippin]

Stowupland
Lydia LAST d. Henry/Lydia(GODBOLT) 8/2/1797

Stowmarket
Henry LAST W otp Lydia GODBOLD sotp Banns 11/10/1795
Wit: Thomas BALLS Martin ENEFER. Henry & Lydia made their marks.

Great, another two ancestor’s to add to my tree!

Thank you for having a look for me Glen.

Tippin

[Joy Dean]

My request has disappeared - did you keep a copy of it, please?

[Joy Dean]

By the way, I thought you might be interested to know about Charles Fletcher - you had said that "A Charles & Rebecca FLETCHER are having children in the 1830's." - I have found him in 1851 with his widowed mother Mary -
1851 census Carpenter, widower, age 42, with his mother Mary, widow, age 71, b Cretingham, and children Lawrence, Carpenter, age 18, Laura, age 16, Jemima, age 14, and Herbert, age 10, all children born Martlesham, living in Martlesham.

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Joy,

Yes, I noticed that & my reply to you also disappeared.

I checked the Melton register: the marriage was there but nothing else.
Lawrence FLETCHER s of Charsfield Mary GODBOLD sotp Banns 27/2/1806
Samuel GODBOLD Joseph WILLIAMSON Mary made her mark.

I believe the Samuel may be her brother as a Samuel was having children c. 1800. I think that was in Melton although it might have been Cretingham as I checked there for Mary GODBOLD as I too had seen her with Charles in 1851 but no luck.

I rechecked the Charsfield register in case I had missed something but came up with the same as in post #91, Sarah, Sarah's son William & the older William, Lawrence & Mary. The latters' parents would appear to be William FLETCHER & Mary TAYLOR who married Dallinghoo 22/6/1779. Unfortunately I didn't check the details although I did look at the register.

The William who married Mary TAYLOR appears to have been baptised in Dallinghoo 16/5/1756 s. Lawrence & Sarah.
Burials
Sarah FLETCHER of Charsfield 11/2/1791
Lawrence FLETCHER Widower 20/1/1795

There were Lawrence FLETCHERs buried in Wickham Mkt 1808, 1790, 1759, 1728 & 1688 so this might be the next place to look especially as some of the FLETCHERs who were living in Dallinghoo were buried in Wickham.

Returning to Charsfield burials & census, I think it possible that Lawrence & Mary had all these children:
Sarah 1806, Charles 1809, Amos 1811, William 1813, Robert 1815, Lydia 1816, Richard 1818, Hannah 1820, & Jane 1821.

[Joy Dean]

Thank you. You are a gem! :)

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Joy,

Do you need Mary's burial? Widow of Lawrence.

[Joy Dean]

Thank you but I think that you gave it to me - though I could easily be getting muddled up with all the Marys etc! :) - is it 22 May 1856 at Charsfield? Widow, age 76.

[Oakum Picker]

Thank you but I think that you gave it to me - though I could easily be getting muddled up with all the Marys etc! :) - is it 22 May 1856 at Charsfield? Widow, age 76.

Yes, that's corrrect - I'd forgotten I'd given it to you. I just thought you might be wondering how she ended up in Charsfield when she was living with Charles in Martlesham in 1851. Charles died in 1854 so I assume she returned to one of her other children in Charsfield.

[Joy Dean]

Yes, that's corrrect - I'd forgotten I'd given it to you. I just thought you might be wondering how she ended up in Charsfield when she was living with Charles in Martlesham in 1851. Charles died in 1854 so I assume she returned to one of her other children in Charsfield.

Thank you. Yes, I saw in free BMD that Charles died in 1854, registered June qr Woodbridge District. Well, she wasn't with Amos, because he died in 1846, and I haven't explored all the other children's whereabouts, yet. However, her son Richard was in Charsfield in 1851, 1871 and 1881 and he is buried there, too. That reminds me, I must go and see if he is there in 1861; for some reason, I don't seem to have a note of where he was then :)

By the way, a grandson of Amos, Amos Henry Fletcher, ended up in Dublin.

[Joy Dean]

Yes, there he is in Charsfield in 1861 with wife Hannah (née Sadd - this surname being the reason for my interest in the family) and children

I am almost sure that I had found the other census details when we used to go to the late-lamented FRC in London and search the film there. Wonder what has happened to that lovely building.

[Joy Dean]

I was just wondering - did you give me the burial for Charles Fletcher? You might have done and I might have mislaid it somewhere.

[DgJay]

Glen
Many thanks for your efforts.
Sorry for the delay in responding, but had to go on holiday.
Your assumption could be why I cannot find any previous records for Millicent.
I know that Ernest originated from Norfolk, the Blake family all moved to Saxmundham, and stayed there (with the exception of the war deaths)
Will get a certificate and proceed from there.
Dave

[Oakum Picker]

I was just wondering - did you give me the burial for Charles Fletcher? You might have done and I might have mislaid it somewhere.

Probably not - 14/4/1854 aged 46. His wife Rebecca was buried 19/6/1846 aged 34, probably complications in childbirth as an inf. Dawson was buried 7/7/1846. They also buried Fred inf. 15/12/1842 & Nancy aged 23/12/1843.

[Joy Dean]

Probably not - 14/4/1854 aged 46. His wife Rebecca was buried 19/6/1846 aged 34, probably complications in childbirth as an inf. Dawson was buried 7/7/1846. They also buried Fred inf. 15/12/1842 & Nancy aged 23/12/1843.

Glen, thank you very much for all your help.
So sad, looking at their ages, so many of them. At least his brother Richard managed to live to the age of 67, but the others were so much younger. Not just names and dates and places, but real people.
Thank you for helping my ancestral family become even more real for me.

[Joy Dean]

How old was Nancy, please?

[Oakum Picker]

How old was Nancy, please?

Whoops, sorry. Nancy was 4.

[Joy Dean]

Thank you :)

[Richard]

Hello Glen

I'm looking for the marriage of my 4xgreat grandparents William and Elizabeth Rudd. She was born around 1804, Weston, Suffolk, he 1794 Belton, Suffolk.

The adresses I have for them are:

1823:Somerleyton (Dau Baptism)
1825:Lound (Sons Baptism)
1828:Lound (2nd Dau Baptism)
1830:Belton (2nd Sons Baptism)
1832:Belton (3rd Dau Baptism)
1841-1881:Lound Road, Blundeston High Street (Census)

The only likely match on the IGI is the marriage of William Rudd and Elizabeth Middleton, 9 June 1819 Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, and there are a fair few trees floating about with that on them, but I have catagorically proved that to be a different couple.

They presumably married 1820-2, Weston, Somerleyton, Belton, Lound, Blundeston all possible candidates! If you could help find this marriage would certainly break down a long standing brick wall in my tree of several years.

Regards

Richard

[Oakum Picker]

Richard,

At one time there was only about 10% of Suffolk PRs on the IGI, there's a bit more now but still not a lot. There is a marriage index 1813 - 1837 so I'll check that for you.

[Richard]

Thanks Glen.

[Oakum Picker]

Hello Glen

I'm looking for the marriage of my 4xgreat grandparents William and Elizabeth Rudd. She was born around 1804, Weston, Suffolk, he 1794 Belton, Suffolk.

The adresses I have for them are:

1823:Somerleyton (Dau Baptism)
1825:Lound (Sons Baptism)
1828:Lound (2nd Dau Baptism)
1830:Belton (2nd Sons Baptism)
1832:Belton (3rd Dau Baptism)
1841-1881:Lound Road, Blundeston High Street (Census)

The only likely match on the IGI is the marriage of William Rudd and Elizabeth Middleton, 9 June 1819 Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, and there are a fair few trees floating about with that on them, but I have catagorically proved that to be a different couple.

They presumably married 1820-2, Weston, Somerleyton, Belton, Lound, Blundeston all possible candidates! If you could help find this marriage would certainly break down a long standing brick wall in my tree of several years.

Regards

Richard

I checked the Lothingland Index which contains most of the parishes you mentioned & then South Elmham & Wangford which contains Weston but no sign of William RUDD. I then checked the indices for the rest of Suffolk & there was only one William RUDD marrying to Elizabeth BARTRUM in Wortham 18/11/1828.

The parishes mentioned are very close to the Norfolk border so you may find the marriage there. There is a Marriage CD for Norfolk from 1801 & I believe someone on this Forum owns it so it's worth asking for a lookup.

[Richard]

Hi Glen

Thanks for looking. I do have the Norfolk CD's as I have family there too, unfortunately no sign of them there either. Looks like destined to remain a brick wall. I do know there have been others researching this line since the 70's without finding the marriage either..so maybe it's not there to be found.

[Lissylou]

I am trying to trace a Samuel Clarke Smith born in Debenham in 1813. I'm not sure if the Clarke part of the name will be registered as it is dropped in some of the census information I have managed to find. Many thanks.

[Oakum Picker]

I am trying to trace a Samuel Clarke Smith born in Debenham in 1813. I'm not sure if the Clarke part of the name will be registered as it is dropped in some of the census information I have managed to find. Many thanks.

I'll check it out for you next time.

[Oakum Picker]

For Karane

Is anyone able to go to the Suffolk records office, please?
I am trying to find a marriage.
I have a Susan Goodchild, father William, who was born around 1815, in Dennington, Suffolk.
She had two children, with a John Cook, but I can't find a marriage, for them. The first son was born in 1836, and was William Cook, the second child 1838, and was Samuel. Both born in Dennington Suffolk.
Both records give the parents as John Cook and Susan Goodchild.
I am thinking, that maybe they never married, but don't want to discount that, until I have had someone double check, for me.
I would think the marriage would have been around 1832-1840?
In 1848 Susan married a David Woolard, in Bethnal Green. On the census it gives her as coming from Dennington.

Is it possible for anyone to look up a marriage for Susan/Susannah, to a John Cook, and maybe find her birth record, please. Thank you very much for your time.

[karane]

Hi Glen, Well I found you, so must be doing something right. I have been researching the Goodchild family, as above, and have been having problems with this William Goodchild. I had added details that I had found on one of the websites, now I realise that there were two different William Goodchilds, one appears to have been born around 1786, the other in 1796. I found them BOTH on the 1841 census, so there must be two different ones. The only thing is now, that I am not sure which one is mine.
As my one had a daughter called Susan, and one of The Williams had a sister called Susan, thought it might be a clue, but which William, though. Is there any way that you might be able to settle this, by looking at the records, please, whilst you are there. Thank you so much, sorry if I appear to be a bit cheeky, I would have added this request when I posted my message but hadn't realised that there were two of them !!!!!
Thank you so much for your time, which I do appreciate.

[Oakum Picker]

I'll do that Karane. Keep a look out on the Q & A board as that is where I'll post the date of my next trip which won't be for a few weeks.

[karane]

That is great, Glen, thank you so much, it is much appreciated.

[isisplantagenet]

Im not sure if you can help me as the areas I need are Boxford. Acton and Little Cornard and Im not sure which Records office covers these.

Looking for

Sarah Godden Bapt 20 Feb 1715 BOxford-Need Parents names

George Whiston bapt Acton 10 JUl 1629. His father is Peter

George married a Dorothy But no idea when and her maiden name, need to check Acton for this please. around 1635-1659.

Also Acton the Bap of Elizabeth Linnett 1650-1660.


And in Great Cornard A lady called Ann Gennerie married Robert Kingsbury 23 May 1678. Im looking for her bapt between 1605-1618. She was buried there 1677/8

Hope this isnt too much info.

Regards Julie

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Julie,

I'll see what I can find for you. As these are all PR requests there's no problem about area as all 3 ROs hold copies of all parishes. As I said in post#222, I'll post on Q & As when I'm next going so you'll know when to check back on this thread to see what I've found.

[Joy Dean]

I have sent you an email about

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=173-fc133&cid=-1#-1
Order to apprehend John Packard FC 133/I1/3 1813
Contents:
Reputed father of a bastard child, to be born to Sarah Aldred, of Blaxhall, singlewoman, and to produce him at the next General Quarter Sessions to be held at Woodbridge. 27 September 1813


Thank you very much :)

[Oakum Picker]

I have sent you an email about

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=173-fc133&cid=-1#-1
Order to apprehend John Packard FC 133/I1/3 1813
Contents:
Reputed father of a bastard child, to be born to Sarah Aldred, of Blaxhall, singlewoman, and to produce him at the next General Quarter Sessions to be held at Woodbridge. 27 September 1813


Thank you very much :)

All in hand Joy.

[fran]

Glen,last March you did a lookup for me at Lowestoft R.O. but you couldn't read the name of John Pryke's father.Anyway at the time you said you would look it up again when you went to Ipswich.
John Pryke 1794,father J***** Pryke, mother Ann Ruddick born Great Cornard,Suffolk.I would be very grateful if you find the time.
Fran

[jenoco]

Hi Glen
You've kindly done some look-ups for me in the past. Can you please check for a baptism of Phoebe Button in Wangford circa 1827 - parents John and Mary - and, if you have time, any siblings. John and Mary were married in Reydon in 1820.
Thank you!

[Oakum Picker]

Glen,last March you did a lookup for me at Lowestoft R.O. but you couldn't read the name of John Pryke's father.Anyway at the time you said you would look it up again when you went to Ipswich.
John Pryke 1794,father J***** Pryke, mother Ann Ruddick born Great Cornard,Suffolk.I would be very grateful if you find the time.
Fran

Just as well you reminded me Fran, I had forgotten. I didn't manage to make my summer trip this year.

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen
You've kindly done some look-ups for me in the past. Can you please check for a baptism of Phoebe Button in Wangford circa 1827 - parents John and Mary - and, if you have time, any siblings. John and Mary were married in Reydon in 1820.
Thank you!

Will do Jenny.

[karane]

Hello Glen,
Just an update, I was looking for another member of the Goodchild family, when I came across the marriage of Susan Goodchild to Samuel, which is one of the things that I asked you to look up, for me. So I am ok, with that, now, but just need to find out the birth, if possible of Susan Goodchild, born around 1815, daughter to a William Goodchild, this info from her second marriage record.
As there were at least two different William Goodchilds in the area of Badingham, for that time one ten years older than the other, (1841 census) I have come to a stand still. So, if you could still look up Susan's birth/baptism record, for me, also to find which set of parents her father belonged to, please, at least that should get me on my way again. Thank you for the offer, previously. I thought that I would save you the trouble of looking up the marriage of Susan if I had found it anyway.
Thanks again for your kind offer

[Oakum Picker]

Hello Glen,
Just an update, I was looking for another member of the Goodchild family, when I came across the marriage of Susan Goodchild to Samuel, which is one of the things that I asked you to look up, for me. So I am ok, with that, now, but just need to find out the birth, if possible of Susan Goodchild, born around 1815, daughter to a William Goodchild, this info from her second marriage record.
As there were at least two different William Goodchilds in the area of Badingham, for that time one ten years older than the other, (1841 census) I have come to a stand still. So, if you could still look up Susan's birth/baptism record, for me, also to find which set of parents her father belonged to, please, at least that should get me on my way again. Thank you for the offer, previously. I thought that I would save you the trouble of looking up the marriage of Susan if I had found it anyway.
Thanks again for your kind offer

I'll see what I can find out about the GOODCHILDs.

[Oakum Picker]

For Mike R

I have another request for a look up next time you are in Suffolk if you don't mind.
I have managed to trace Jasper Smith, born 1813, to Kettleburgh in Suffolk. if I am correct he had 2 sisters, Harriet and Hannah, and 2 brothers, William and David.
If the above is right his parents were probably William* Smith and Harriet Clark. ( I cannot with any certainty find their birth or marriage dates.)
Again if the above is correct William's* parents may be William**, born 1769 in Glemsford, and Mary. (surname unknown.) William's** (1769) parents may be John Smith and Rebecka Hawys.
With Smith as a surname it may not be possible to positively confirm any of the above. There seem to be just too many with the same first names in this area of Suffolk. Still worth a try.

Many thanks in advance for anything you can find.
Mike

[karane]

Hello Glen,
I thought that you wouldn't too much looking for the family of John Cook, born around 1815, in Dennington, Suffolk. John was Susan Goodchild's husband, and married him, in 1833, I have the marriage details, but would to know who his parents were, please.
Susan being the lady that I have already asked you about her family.
I thought that rather than ask you again, next time around, perhaps you wouldn't mind looking, this time, hope that you don't mind !!! Thank you for your time, which I appreciate.

[Oakum Picker]

Hello Glen,
I thought that you wouldn't too much looking for the family of John Cook, born around 1815, in Dennington, Suffolk. John was Susan Goodchild's husband, and married him, in 1833, I have the marriage details, but would to know who his parents were, please.
Susan being the lady that I have already asked you about her family.
I thought that rather than ask you again, next time around, perhaps you wouldn't mind looking, this time, hope that you don't mind !!! Thank you for your time, which I appreciate.

Have added John to the list.

[Oakum Picker]

Glen,last March you did a lookup for me at Lowestoft R.O. but you couldn't read the name of John Pryke's father.Anyway at the time you said you would look it up again when you went to Ipswich.
John Pryke 1794,father J***** Pryke, mother Ann Ruddick born Great Cornard,Suffolk.I would be very grateful if you find the time.
Fran

The fiche in Ipswich showed clearly that the father was also John.

[Oakum Picker]

I am trying to trace a Samuel Clarke Smith born in Debenham in 1813. I'm not sure if the Clarke part of the name will be registered as it is dropped in some of the census information I have managed to find. Many thanks.

The only Samuel SMITH baptised c. 1813 was at the Debenham Independent & there was no sign of the 'Clark'.
Samuel SMITH s. Frederick/Elizabeth b. 2/1/1813 bapt. 30/5/1813.
He had siblings: Robert 1799, William 1802, Henry 1804, William 1807 & Harriet 1810.

Parents at Debenham Parish Church.
Frederick SMITH Elizabeth CHILVERS bsotp Banns 11/2/1799
Wit: Lydia WYTHE John FAIRWEATHER Only John signed.

[fran]

Thank you very much Glen.Your kindness is much appreciated.
Fran

[Oakum Picker]

Hello Glen,
Just an update, I was looking for another member of the Goodchild family, when I came across the marriage of Susan Goodchild to Samuel, which is one of the things that I asked you to look up, for me. So I am ok, with that, now, but just need to find out the birth, if possible of Susan Goodchild, born around 1815, daughter to a William Goodchild, this info from her second marriage record.
As there were at least two different William Goodchilds in the area of Badingham, for that time one ten years older than the other, (1841 census) I have come to a stand still. So, if you could still look up Susan's birth/baptism record, for me, also to find which set of parents her father belonged to, please, at least that should get me on my way again. Thank you for the offer, previously. I thought that I would save you the trouble of looking up the marriage of Susan if I had found it anyway.
Thanks again for your kind offer

This is what I have found on the GOODCHILDs/COOKs:
No baptism for Susan or John in Dennington although there were COOKs being baptised there.

Kelsale
Susan GOODCHILD d. Ruth b. 19/5/1815 bapt.
Ruth was the sister of William GOODCHILD b. 1785. She already had an illegitimate child Lucy, born 25/12/1813 bapt. 20/2/1814 at Badingham, father George WOODCOCK. She married William THREADKLE in 1816 in Saxmundham & was buried there in 1840 aged 48.

The reason I mention this is that William doesn't seem to have a gap for Susan to fit in. Here are William's children:
Badingham
Henry s. William/Mary (WATTS) b. 5/12/1809 bapt. 28/1/1810
Phoebe d. " / " " b. 31/10/1812 bapt.29/11/1812
Peasenhall Wesleyan
Mira d. William/Mary (WATTS) Badingham b. 30/3/1815 bapt. 30/4/1815 This may have been at Badingham!!
Amelia d. William/Mary Badingham b.17/11/1817 bapt. 7/12/1817
George s. " / " " b. 31/3/1820 bapt. 7/5/1820
Eleanor d. William Pond Green Badingham Lab. & Mary d. Robert/Alice WATTS b. 15/9/1823 bapt. 23/11/1823
Charlotte d. William/Mary Badingham Lab. b.14/7/1828 bapt. 21/9/1828

There was only one William bapt. in Badingham to parents Thomas/ Sarah (POLLARD) 31/3/1785.
He had siblings Isaac 1787, John 1788, George 1791, Ruth 1792, Susan 1794, George 1795, Thomas 1805 & Thomas 1808.

I'll let you decide what it all means!!

I have the details of Susan's & John's & Ruth's & William's marriages if you want them.

[Oakum Picker]

Im not sure if you can help me as the areas I need are Boxford. Acton and Little Cornard and Im not sure which Records office covers these.

Looking for

1) Sarah Godden Bapt 20 Feb 1715 BOxford-Need Parents names

2) George Whiston bapt Acton 10 JUl 1629. His father is Peter

3) George married a Dorothy But no idea when and her maiden name, need to check Acton for this please. around 1635-1659.

4) Also Acton the Bap of Elizabeth Linnett 1650-1660.

5) And in Great Cornard A lady called Ann Gennerie married Robert Kingsbury 23 May 1678. Im looking for her bapt between 1605-1618. She was buried there 1677/8

Hope this isnt too much info.

Regards Julie

1) Parents William & Ann. Sister Rose 4/7/1708

2) That part of the register was completely illegible. Even though I knew what was there I couldn't pick out any of it. There is a transcript done in 1940 which confirms what you have. The transcript also has a sister Anna (WHISSON) 23/1/1625 & this I was able to read in the register. There was no marriage for Peter.

3) Marriages in Acton 1641 - 1659 were missing as were burials 1618 - 1653. I do have burials for Peter, George, Dorothy, William & Grace if you don't already have them.

4) The name LINNET does not appear in the Acton register at that time.

5) The name GENNERIE does not appear in the Gt Cornard register 1600 - 1620. The name KINGSBURY does.

Sorry I couldn't find what you were looking for.

[Oakum Picker]

Hi Glen
You've kindly done some look-ups for me in the past. Can you please check for a baptism of Phoebe Button in Wangford circa 1827 - parents John and Mary - and, if you have time, any siblings. John and Mary were married in Reydon in 1820.
Thank you!

Wangford
BUTTON Phoebe d. John/Mary Wangford Lab. 15/11/1829
BUTTON William s. John/Mary Wangford Lab. 16/9/1821

These were the only baptisms up to 1844.

[Oakum Picker]

For Mike R

I have another request for a look up next time you are in Suffolk if you don't mind.
I have managed to trace Jasper Smith, born 1813, to Kettleburgh in Suffolk. if I am correct he had 2 sisters, Harriet and Hannah, and 2 brothers, William and David.
If the above is right his parents were probably William* Smith and Harriet Clark. ( I cannot with any certainty find their birth or marriage dates.)
Again if the above is correct William's* parents may be William**, born 1769 in Glemsford, and Mary. (surname unknown.) William's** (1769) parents may be John Smith and Rebecka Hawys.
With Smith as a surname it may not be possible to positively confirm any of the above. There seem to be just too many with the same first names in this area of Suffolk. Still worth a try.

Many thanks in advance for anything you can find.
Mike

Here are the children of William SMITH & Harriet CLARK. William was a labourer in all cases& they were living in the place of baptism.

Kettleburgh
Jasper 2/3/1813
William 1/1/1815

Parham
Harriet 13/3/1817
Eliza 18/4/1819
George 27/10/1822
Hannah 20/3/1825
David 11/9/1827

Harriet never recovered from David's birth & was buried in Parham 9/9/1827 aged 36.
David lingered on for 6 months & was buried 23/3/1828

William remarried to Sophia BICKERS & had at least 6 more children.
I wasn't able to find the William/Harriet marriage but I do have details of the William/Sophia & Jasper/Mary Ann marriages if you want them.

I looked for William & Harriet in Kettleburgh & Parham. There was no sign of Harriet. Two possibilities for William assuming he was from there.

Kettleburgh
SMITH William s. Thomas/Jane (SPALDING) Pauper 10/3/1792
I have the marriage if you want it.

Parham
SMITH William s. Thomas/Ann (CADNUM) 7/4/1793

I didn't look at the Glemsford records as it's across the other side of Suffolk & I think you'll find a great many SMITHs between the 2 areas plus William's father doesn't appear to be a William but without some supporting evidence, it'll be difficult to pick.

[Oakum Picker]

I'm answereing your GF queries here too, Joy.


I have sent you an email about

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=173-fc133&cid=-1#-1
Order to apprehend John Packard FC 133/I1/3 1813
Contents:
Reputed father of a bastard child, to be born to Sarah Aldred, of Blaxhall, singlewoman, and to produce him at the next General Quarter Sessions to be held at Woodbridge. 27 September 1813


Thank you very much :)

Am emailing the Apprehension Order - don't worry about payment - I get my pension in a couple of months.


Re
John Packard, christened in Little Glemham, 18 December 1785, Correct


Whenever you go again, Glen, as it gives an actual date of birth for some of his siblings, would you mind looking to see if there is a date for his birth, please? Thank you

No birth date was noted.


I hope that I haven't asked you this before - I have a note that someone at some time told me about a marriage for a Daniel Packard and a Grace Virtue in 1713 at Woodbridge - would you be able to look for this for me, please? and if you come across any children for them?

Daniel PACKARD Grace VIRTUE both single 11/1/1714 N/S There were no children up to 1730.

[karane]

Thank you so much for your help, and time, Glen. iIvery much appreciate them both.
I am sure that the info that you have given me will be useful, and yes, if possible, I would like the two marriages that you refer to, please ! Thanks again.

[Oakum Picker]

Thank you so much for your help, and time, Glen. iIvery much appreciate them both.
I am sure that the info that you have given me will be useful, and yes, if possible, I would like the two marriages that you refer to, please ! Thanks again.

Here they are:

Badingham
John COOK S of Dennington Susan GOODCHILD S otp Banns 29/1/1833
Wit: William GOODCHILD Mary Ann WITHING Only William signed.

I did wonder that if Susan was Ruth's daughter, perhaps William THREADKLE didn't want to raise her & in such circumstances the grandparents often did it. If they then died perhaps William & Mary took over.

William THREADKLE sotp Ruth GOODCHILD sotp Banns 21/12/1816
Wit: Benjamin MANNING John SHIMMIN Only John signed.

[Joy Dean]

Glen, I've said it before and I shall say it again - you are a gem! Thank you very much.
My pension I have been receiving now for ... ouch! ... nearly three years :)

[karane]

Once again, thanks do not seem to be adequate, as you have helped me such a lot, and I can now get a little further back. I am convinced that Susan must have been raised, for a while, anyway, by William and Mary, it would seem that Susan was named after William's sister?
It does seem probably, doesn't it. !!!!!
I did have William down as Susan's father, so have now corrected that.
Thanks again, Glen.

[Lissylou]

Thank you so much for this, I will start looking at this info. I am now actually going to Suffolk on 9 Oct for the Family History Fair which I have discovered is being held in Debenham!



The only Samuel SMITH baptised c. 1813 was at the Debenham Independent & there was no sign of the 'Clark'.
Samuel SMITH s. Frederick/Elizabeth b. 2/1/1813 bapt. 30/5/1813.
He had siblings: Robert 1799, William 1802, Henry 1804, William 1807 & Harriet 1810.

Parents at Debenham Parish Church.
Frederick SMITH Elizabeth CHILVERS bsotp Banns 11/2/1799
Wit: Lydia WYTHE John FAIRWEATHER Only John signed.

[Oakum Picker]

Once again, thanks do not seem to be adequate, as you have helped me such a lot, and I can now get a little further back. I am convinced that Susan must have been raised, for a while, anyway, by William and Mary, it would seem that Susan was named after William's sister?
It does seem probably, doesn't it. !!!!!
I did have William down as Susan's father, so have now corrected that.
Thanks again, Glen.

Unfortunately it is only supposition, you need more info. to decide one way or the other - a will would be handy!