I have a cause of death

[Vivienne]

question too.

I've looked at Rons (Genealogy Printers) leaflet on causes of death but only found part of the description.

On the cert of a one year old it says, Febris Ulseuterica (from birth).

I know Febris is fever but can anyone tell me what the other word means, please?

[Darksecretz]

Vivienne,

Have a look here, it might help

http://www.familytreeforum.com/wiki/index.php/Medical_Terms_%26_Diseases

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

I only know (well, OK, OH told me!) that "enterica" or enteric, is to do with the intestines. But I don't know what ulsenterica is (I think it would be with an n)

[Vivienne]

Hi Merry, I thought about that but I compared it with the n in Montpelia & the u in daughter & I'm pretty certain it is a u.

Thanks for the link Julie, I will go look.
Has Jess put you up to it, she's determined to get me into the dreaded Wiki! lol:D

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Not sure there's such a word as euterica :) Some people wrote a u and an n identically.....:(

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Ooops, I just read what you wrote again Viv, and you have compared with both!! Stuck then :o

[Darksecretz]

Hi Merry, I thought about that but I compared it with the n in Montpelia & the u in daughter & I'm pretty certain it is a u.

Thanks for the link Julie, I will go look.
Has Jess put you up to it, she's determined to get me into the dreaded Wiki! lol:D


Most certainly Not Vivienne, Honest,

I Knew there was that bit about the death terms in there, so rather than me saying well goto wiki and type in "Medical Terms & Diseases" in the searchbox, and then hit enter... figured it would be easier for me to show you the link.

Our Wiki isnt that much different really to finding things on google, is just a matter of knowing what is where, (or you could use the index, and navigate that way :rolleyes:)

have fun, if you need help shout up ;)

[Vivienne]

Here you can see for yourselves.

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[Merry Monty Montgomery]

It's mesenterica....which means.......erm......just asking OH

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

He says it's a membrane that surrounds the intestines....and is attached to the back wall of the abdominal cavity.

[Vivienne]

It's mesenterica....which means.......erm......just asking OH

That's a type of TB Merry but it doesn't look a bit like the M in Montpelia.:confused:

[Darksecretz]

It looks like a "M" to me Viv, although it doesnt have that curly bit on it, like the m for montpelier does :confused:

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

My bro-in-law died of a similar condition which is why I recognised the word.

[Vivienne]

I hope you're right, it is what I first thought of as we have a lot of TB & bronchitus type illnesses in the family but when I compared the different words it didn't look right.
Would explain why I can't find it.

Thanks for the replies.:)

[Jessbowbag]

Has Jess put you up to it, she's determined to get me into the dreaded Wiki! lol:D

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k198/jessbowbag/whome-1.png

[Vivienne]

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k198/jessbowbag/whome-1.png

Yes You, I wouldn't put it past you! pmsl:D

[Jessbowbag]

HUH!

Scrubs Viv off 'friends' list

[Vivienne]

Am I Bovvered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:p

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

It's always possible that the registrar wasn't familiar with what they were copying from the medical certificate......

[Vivienne]

I hadn't thought of that Merry, I'm going to accept that is what it is meant to be, as the other word doesn't appear anywhere.

[Olde Crone Holden]

Jiust wondering if it was MEANT to say

Tabes mesenterica

which was a form of infectious tuberculosis caught from drinking infected cows milk. I am not sure if it can be passed from the pregnant mother to the foetus, though?

OC

[Vivienne]

I supose the registrar may have had only a limited knowledge of latin so copied what he saw instead of checking what it really was. That could explain the differences in the shape of the M, he wrote it as he saw it.

[Len of the Chilterns]

Another useful site is:
Archaic Medical Terms (http://www.paul_smith.doctors.org.uk/ArchaicMedicalTerms.htm)

[Little Nell]

My great-grandmother had two babies that died of tabes mesenterica in the 1860s and 1880s. Ironically first baby's father was a milkman, who probably provided the contaminated milk.

[KiteRunner]

Vivienne, on the page of GRO index from 1840 that I'm currently transcribing for FreeBMD, the surnames all begin with A and the letter is written the same way all the way down, similar to the capital A in this post, but in the first names there is an Ada, three Agneses, two Alices and an Ann with the same kind of A, and then two Anns and an Ann Jane with the "other" kind of capital A - i.e. like a lower case A but bigger! All written by the same person, and as with the registrar, he spent all day writing stuff down for his job! Maybe they just sometimes had a little bit of an experiment writing their letters in a different style to see how it looked?!

[Olde Crone Holden]

Ooooh, Kate, I do that!

I have two versions of capital A, and a lot seems to depend on what letters follow the A when I am writing.

My signature has a capital A in it, and I do that as a triangular shaped letter. But if I was writing apples, for instance, I do it with a larger version of lower case a.

My Ms vary too, again depending on what follows the capital letter.

I came to the conclusion that it is something to do with the ease of moving from the capital letter to the following small letter.

No doubt a handwriting expert could make something sinister out of it, though!

OC

[Little Nell]

Quite a few Victorian records have a big version of lower case a, and one of the girls I was at school with, whose surname started with A also wrote it as a big little case one.

I experimented with my handwriting in my teens, trying to use bigger versions of little letters where possible (after all we do it with W, Y, U, O, P, S, Z, X, C, V and M anyway.

I chose to write lower case a big, as it was quicker - you don't have to take your pen off the paper to cross the A.

But I have had to change it since working in a primary school, I have to write everything there in the right way. The children soon tell you if you've done an incorrect join or that "you don't write f like that, Mrs Evans!"

[Jools in Scarborough]

Febris mesenterica - have a look here (http://books.google.com/books?id=A9RzfQFbl3gC&pg=PA425&lpg=PA425&dq=febris+mesenterica&source=web&ots=zT2H3KIFLf&sig=UaxKiMAOG93Qu32YOVsTpQzAzt4) (google books)

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Febris mesenterica - have a look here (http://books.google.com/books?id=A9RzfQFbl3gC&pg=PA425&lpg=PA425&dq=febris+mesenterica&source=web&ots=zT2H3KIFLf&sig=UaxKiMAOG93Qu32YOVsTpQzAzt4) (google books)

Eeeeeuuww....yuk!